David, It's interesting that you say:
"Let's be truthful.....PTs have the knowledge and training to work on impairments and functional movements" and "OTs have perhaps the same (depending on the rigor of the program they attended)" In my experience, PT's do have the knowledge of movement impairments but not necessarily thorough knowledge of functional movement (depending on the rigor of their studies.....as you suggested with OT's) I have often had PT counterparts that express their desire to D/C a patient when that very day I was cueing the same patient not to walk around the front of his walker in order to pick up trash on the floor, cueing the patient to keep his foot inside the walker instead of out to the side during functional mobility both in the halls and in a complex environment. More than one PT has responded by saying that they didn't have the patient involved in a task during ambulation and therefore did not realize these functional impairments. I have also documented many LOB with patients while they reached in the closet to get clothes etc while the PT has no documentation of this functional movement impairment. Don't get me wrong, I have worked and do work with great PT's but, depending on their education and/or understanding of true functional movements, the "truthfulness" of PT's having knowledge in functional movement is not always the case. As an OT, I do feel that it is my domain to have a very thorough knowledge of functional movement impairments as this was the primary emphasis of OT education. Movement impairments, as I see it, are primarily the PT's domain. I appreciate this open discussion and do have great respect for OT, PT and SLP in their respective fields. Angela Jones MOTR/L From: "Lehman, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OTlist] OT's Domain Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:15:06 -0500 >I see that my friendly OTs are still arguing over domain, and this is an >old one...the Upper Extremity. I listen to(read) Ron's arguments over >and over about Ots need to be focused on occupation and fight for >reimbursement...I agree with him....but, to separate the body into >sections and claim one as a domain, seems such a silly claim....the >truth is this was established by the modern and flawed medical >system...it was a way of getting additional dollars for rehab >services.....Let's be truthful.....PTs have the knowledge and training >to work on impairments and functional movements.....OTs have perhaps the >same (depending on the rigor of the program they attended).....PTs do >not typically focus on occupation (especially directly and for >reimbursement).....I argue that OTs need to fight for occupational >science and produce/show the research and create that need in our modern >medical system.....or I fear there will one day be no OT, and perhaps >there will just be a rehabilitation scientist who does it all...... > >David A. Lehman, PhD, PT > >Associate Professor > >Tennessee State University > >Department of Physical Therapy > >3500 John A. Merritt Blvd. > >Nashville, TN 37209 > >615-963-5946 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential >information and is intended solely for use by the individual to whom it >is addressed. If you receive this correspondence in error, please notify >the sender and delete the email from your system. Do not disclose its >contents with others. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Ron Carson >Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:17 PM >To: Orli Weisser-Pike >Subject: Re: [OTlist] OT's Domain > >Good gosh, I'm not questioning the PERSON's dedication to our >profession! I specifically omit the source and the name so as to keep >the original messenger anonymous and to "protect" them from any harm. >In the past, I've posted excerpts from other sources and OTnow readers >have followed by posting the entire message, including the source and >author. To me, this is not appropriate. > >There' nothing out of context because the context is not relevant to >my question. My intent is to simply solicit discussion about the >comments. > >I guess readers can also post their opinion about THIS situation. > >Ron > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Orli Weisser-Pike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subj: [OTlist] OT's Domain > >OWP> I think it is unfair to take this short paragraph out of context, >Ron. I >OWP> happened to read the entire post on the AOTA listserv and was quite >OWP> impressed by the person's dedication to our profession and >dedication to >OWP> research. > >OWP> Best, >OWP> Orli > >OWP> -----Original Message----- >OWP> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >OWP> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >OWP> Behalf Of Ron Carson >OWP> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:33 AM >OWP> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >OWP> Subject: [OTlist] OT's Domain > >OWP> Hello All: > >OWP> I like taking messages from other resources and posting them here >for >OWP> discussion. So, here's an excerpt of a recent message from >another >OWP> listserve: > >OWP> I want to express a concern before I proceed: >Physical >OWP> Therapists are doing a lot of research focusing on >improving >OWP> function in the upper extremity- to me this is OT's domain >and >OWP> in order for us to keep this as part of our scope of >practice >OWP> we have to make sure we are all doing everything we can >to >OWP> keep it... > >OWP> What do you guys think about these statements? > >OWP> Is the UE OT's domain of concern any more than it's PT's domain? >why >OWP> or why not? > >OWP> Ron > > >OWP> -- >OWP> Options? >OWP> www.otnow.com/mailman/options/otlist_otnow.com > >OWP> Archive? >OWP> www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >OWP> >************************************************************************ >OWP> ************** >OWP> Enroll in Boston University's post-professional Master of Science >for >OWP> OTs Online. 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