Ron There are quite a few of us on both lists. I signed up for the occup-ther one so long ago that I don't remember how I did it. Can anyone else help? Joan
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Carson Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:34 PM To: Joan Riches Subject: Re: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? Joan, that link you sent is an e-mail addy, what are we supposed to do with it? Gosh, I wish I could afford the new Enabling Occupation Book! Not having read the book, I'm sort going out on a limb, but I take that sentence a little differently. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Riches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subj: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR> [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR> One statement among many in Enabling Occupation II is that 'People have JR> diverse abilities to for participating in occupations'. (pg. 4) I take that JR> to mean that even those who cannot conceptualise meaning may be occupied JR> according to their ability. I could be mistaken in drawing this inference. JR> Joan JR> -----Original Message----- JR> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf JR> Of Ron Carson JR> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:36 PM JR> To: Joan Riches JR> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR> What is the Dalhousie list? I would really enjoy speaking with E. JR> Townsend and H. POlatajko! JR> ----- Original Message ----- JR> From: Joan Riches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> JR> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 JR> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> JR> Subj: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR>> Hi Ron and listers JR>> I want to continue this discussion but deadlines loom. Maybe we can JR> cross JR>> post to the Dalhousie list and involve Elizabeth Townsend and Helen JR>> Polatajko. Joan JR>> -----Original Message----- JR>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On JR> Behalf JR>> Of Jim Arceneaux JR>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:32 PM JR>> To: [email protected] JR>> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR>> Joan your are speaking of using procedural memories. They remember JR> these JR>> tasks as part of past occupational involvement and can at times JR> participate JR>> at some level. It may not be a true occupation, as it is not in the JR> context JR>> of completing some occupational demand, but is a component of an JR> occupation. JR>> I do not believe in any way that sorting silverware in the context you JR>> mentioned can be compared to sorting pegs or stacking cones. As someone JR>> mentioned earlier, at the least the task is a purposeful activity. JR>> Jim JR>> Joan Riches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JR>> I am talking about advanced dementia Ron. These people are deprived of JR>> occupation. Handling and manipulating things they recognise often JR> provides a JR>> sense of accomplishment especially when their efforts are recognised and JR>> appreciated. Your final statement is quite true when people are able to JR>> compare present and past abilities. JR>> -----Original Message----- JR>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On JR> Behalf JR>> Of Ron Carson JR>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:10 PM JR>> To: Joan Riches JR>> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR>> Joan, interesting answer, as always. JR>> I don't understand the following: JR>>>Sorry. [ Enabling ]occupation in this setting is providing support for JR>> the satisfaction JR>>> of doing which may be possible only at the level of actions. JR>> Also, I'm not sure that I fully accept this statement: JR>>> For many women, cooks, waiters, butlers and footmen the memories and JR>>> sense of accomplishment even in a simulated task will be far greater JR>>> than using cones. JR>> Even though a person previously engaged in an occupation, that is no JR>> assurance that the person will derive any sense of accomplishment from JR>> TRYING the same occupation. In fact, I OFTEN find just the opposite. JR>> Many times, people are unwilling to learn a new way of doing what was JR>> once a familiar occupation. JR>> Interesting topics! JR>> Ron JR>> ----- Original Message ----- JR>> From: Joan Riches JR>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 JR>> To: [email protected] JR>> Subj: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR>>> Hi Ron JR>>> One of the Toglia assessments involves sorting cutlery (As a jewellers JR>>> daughter I question whether the utensils in question were actually JR>> silver) JR>>> Also one of the renewable activities that we provide for low level JR>> dementia JR>>> folk involves sorting plastic cutlery. This activity can be graded up JR> or JR>>> down and is available when needed. I know there is some debate about JR>> using JR>>> simulated rather than active productive meaningful tasks. I know that JR>> these JR>>> familiar tasks sorting, folding etc. are meaningful for many of our JR>>> residents. The skill involved is in matching the task to the person, JR>>> prescribing both task and supervision and following up to monitor JR>> changes in JR>>> cognition. Occupation in this setting is providing support for the JR>>> satisfaction of doing which may be possible only at the level of JR>> actions. JR>>> I don't know why the person you saw was sorting cutlery and it may JR>> indeed be JR>>> just a step away from using cones. For many women, cooks, waiters, JR>> butlers JR>>> and footmen the memories and sense of accomplishment even in a JR> simulated JR>>> task will be far greater than using cones. JR>>> Blessings, Joan JR>>> -----Original Message----- JR>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On JR>> Behalf JR>>> Of Ron Carson JR>>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:58 PM JR>>> To: OTlist JR>>> Subject: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR>>> Hello Everyone: JR>>> Will someone please tell me why OT would have a SNF (Skilled Nursing JR>>> Facility) standing and sorting silverware? Surely, no patient really JR> has JR>>> a goal of sorting silverware, do they? JR>>> I've never understood this aspect of OT! Why have patients standing to JR>>> do something so that they can do something else? If the patient needs JR> to JR>>> be able to stand and get their clothes, brush their teeth, walk to the JR>>> dining room, go pee, etc, etc, why not use these as the treatment? JR>>> Thanks, JR>>> Ron JR>>> -- JR>>> "... as a profession that offers unique services that are ideally JR> suited JR>>> to meet the health, participation, and quality of life needs of people JR>>> of all ages, occupational therapy is well-positioned to succeed and JR>>> flourish in the 21st century." [Fred Somers, AJOT, April, 2005, p. 127] JR>>> "The part of convalescence that I found most profoundly humiliating and JR>>> depressing was [OT]... 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