Hi, I think the scenario you describes makes them more purposeful activities, but not necessarily occupations.
Terrianne Mary Alice Cafiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, I will jump in really quickly before I have to put kids in bed. I've seen situations in dementia units where the patients range from mid to late stage where they sort the silverware as it comes out of the dishwashers for the facility. It is then used for mealtimes. The same with sorting and folding socks and towels when living in a facility so the laundry isn't necessarily the client's own. Do you think those situations make these activities any more of an occupation? By the way, I'm not in this setting anymore, but find the discussion very interesting. Mary Alice On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Terrianne Jones wrote: > No, in my never to be humble opinion, it is not much different. > Some would argue there is a difference between an activity such as > sorting silver ware and cone sorting because one is recognizable > task (taken out of its usual context) and the other is totally > contrived task (at least I've never seen spontaneous cone > stacking!), but I maintain that if the client finds no value in > the activity then from a therapeutic perspective there isn't much > difference. > > Terrianne > > > Ron Carson wrote: Hey Terrianne: > > I love the Canadian Model of Occupational Performance! > Thanks for > sharing that definition from the Enabling Occupation book!! A > great > resource for ALL OT's!! > > Continuing on with questions. In the context that we are > discussing, is > sorting silverware any different than sorting cones/pegs? > > I FULLY understand that if a patient has a true goal of > sorting > silverware of if sorting silverware is a subset of a higher level > task > (making a meal) and that patient has difficulty sorting, then > this is > appropriate. But anythign else seems like cones, just a little > more > shiny . > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terrianne Jones > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 > To: [email protected] > Subj: [OTlist] Occupational Deprivation > > TJ> Hi Ron and others- > > TJ> I've been lurking and decided to jump in with the mention of > occupational deprivation, and > TJ> your question Ron about assumptions with persons who cannot > indicate they are truly engaging > TJ> in occupation. This question almost brings occupation to a > philosophical level. If > TJ> occupations are are defined as activities of everyday life, > named, organized and given value > TJ> and meaning by individuals and a culture (Law, Polatajko, > &Townsend, 1997, p. 32), then can > TJ> we really ever know if a person is engaging in occupation if > they cannot tell us or somehow > TJ> indicate the value of the engagement? In my opinion, we > cannot, and thats ok. Sometimes the > TJ> best we can offer our clients who cannot tell us whether or > not they value an activity as an > TJ> occupation is an enjoyable experience that meets some physical > or sensory need and supports > TJ> their overall wellbeing. But I don't think we can call this > occupation. According to the OT > TJ> practice frame work, while occupation is the goal and main > TJ> modality of the OT, there is also room when appropriate for > purposeful actives (ie, sorting > TJ> silverware) if they enable participation in other aspects of > daily life. > > TJ> Terrianne > > > > TJ> Occupation is so subjective. > > TJ> Ron Carson wrote: Man, you write at an advanced level!! I > THINK I > TJ> understand what you are > TJ> saying but if my response is way off base let me know. > > TJ> Occupational deprivation is a common age-associate malady. > I see it > TJ> everyday in my practice. But, IF a person is unable to > verbalize > TJ> (vocally or non-vocally) the meaning and worth of an engaged > activity, > TJ> are we justified in assuming they are engaged in occupation? > > TJ> I understand about being isolated. I work alone and have > for several > TJ> years. The OTlist is about the only place where I can freely > exchange > TJ> ideas. I wish more subscribers would feel the same! > > TJ> Ron > > > > TJ> ----- Original Message ----- > TJ> From: Joan Riches > TJ> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 > TJ> To: [email protected] > TJ> Subj: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? > > JR>> Well - if occupation is what people do and occupation is > idiosyncratic to > JR>> the person, then meaning seems to have many different levels. > People at this > JR>> level certainly have emotions - and those emotions are often > mitigated by a > JR>> sense of doing. Certainly we need the concept of occupational > deprivation to > JR>> comprehend behaviour changes when opportunities 'to do' are > provided. > JR>> Thank you to you. 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