[EMAIL PROTECTED] One statement among many in Enabling Occupation II is that 'People have diverse abilities to for participating in occupations'. (pg. 4) I take that to mean that even those who cannot conceptualise meaning may be occupied according to their ability. I could be mistaken in drawing this inference. Joan
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Carson Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:36 PM To: Joan Riches Subject: Re: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? What is the Dalhousie list? I would really enjoy speaking with E. Townsend and H. POlatajko! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Riches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subj: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR> Hi Ron and listers JR> I want to continue this discussion but deadlines loom. Maybe we can cross JR> post to the Dalhousie list and involve Elizabeth Townsend and Helen JR> Polatajko. Joan JR> -----Original Message----- JR> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf JR> Of Jim Arceneaux JR> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:32 PM JR> To: [email protected] JR> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR> Joan your are speaking of using procedural memories. They remember these JR> tasks as part of past occupational involvement and can at times participate JR> at some level. It may not be a true occupation, as it is not in the context JR> of completing some occupational demand, but is a component of an occupation. JR> I do not believe in any way that sorting silverware in the context you JR> mentioned can be compared to sorting pegs or stacking cones. As someone JR> mentioned earlier, at the least the task is a purposeful activity. JR> Jim JR> Joan Riches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JR> I am talking about advanced dementia Ron. These people are deprived of JR> occupation. Handling and manipulating things they recognise often provides a JR> sense of accomplishment especially when their efforts are recognised and JR> appreciated. Your final statement is quite true when people are able to JR> compare present and past abilities. JR> -----Original Message----- JR> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf JR> Of Ron Carson JR> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:10 PM JR> To: Joan Riches JR> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR> Joan, interesting answer, as always. JR> I don't understand the following: JR>>Sorry. [ Enabling ]occupation in this setting is providing support for JR> the satisfaction JR>> of doing which may be possible only at the level of actions. JR> Also, I'm not sure that I fully accept this statement: JR>> For many women, cooks, waiters, butlers and footmen the memories and JR>> sense of accomplishment even in a simulated task will be far greater JR>> than using cones. JR> Even though a person previously engaged in an occupation, that is no JR> assurance that the person will derive any sense of accomplishment from JR> TRYING the same occupation. In fact, I OFTEN find just the opposite. JR> Many times, people are unwilling to learn a new way of doing what was JR> once a familiar occupation. JR> Interesting topics! JR> Ron JR> ----- Original Message ----- JR> From: Joan Riches JR> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 JR> To: [email protected] JR> Subj: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR>> Hi Ron JR>> One of the Toglia assessments involves sorting cutlery (As a jewellers JR>> daughter I question whether the utensils in question were actually JR> silver) JR>> Also one of the renewable activities that we provide for low level JR> dementia JR>> folk involves sorting plastic cutlery. This activity can be graded up or JR>> down and is available when needed. I know there is some debate about JR> using JR>> simulated rather than active productive meaningful tasks. I know that JR> these JR>> familiar tasks sorting, folding etc. are meaningful for many of our JR>> residents. The skill involved is in matching the task to the person, JR>> prescribing both task and supervision and following up to monitor JR> changes in JR>> cognition. Occupation in this setting is providing support for the JR>> satisfaction of doing which may be possible only at the level of JR> actions. JR>> I don't know why the person you saw was sorting cutlery and it may JR> indeed be JR>> just a step away from using cones. For many women, cooks, waiters, JR> butlers JR>> and footmen the memories and sense of accomplishment even in a simulated JR>> task will be far greater than using cones. JR>> Blessings, Joan JR>> -----Original Message----- JR>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On JR> Behalf JR>> Of Ron Carson JR>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:58 PM JR>> To: OTlist JR>> Subject: [OTlist] Sorting Silverware? JR>> Hello Everyone: JR>> Will someone please tell me why OT would have a SNF (Skilled Nursing JR>> Facility) standing and sorting silverware? Surely, no patient really has JR>> a goal of sorting silverware, do they? JR>> I've never understood this aspect of OT! Why have patients standing to JR>> do something so that they can do something else? If the patient needs to JR>> be able to stand and get their clothes, brush their teeth, walk to the JR>> dining room, go pee, etc, etc, why not use these as the treatment? JR>> Thanks, JR>> Ron JR>> -- JR>> "... as a profession that offers unique services that are ideally suited JR>> to meet the health, participation, and quality of life needs of people JR>> of all ages, occupational therapy is well-positioned to succeed and JR>> flourish in the 21st century." [Fred Somers, AJOT, April, 2005, p. 127] JR>> "The part of convalescence that I found most profoundly humiliating and JR>> depressing was [OT]... I was reduced to playing with brightly colored JR>> plastic letters ... like a three-year-old..." [AJOT, April, 2005, p. JR>> 231] JR>> -- JR>> Options? 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