On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 5:25 PM Ilya Maximets <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 12/12/22 17:17, Frode Nordahl wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:55 PM Frode Nordahl
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 12:20 PM Ilya Maximets <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 12/12/22 09:40, Eelco Chaudron wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10 Dec 2022, at 3:16, Ilya Maximets wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This patch set allows OVS to build with libxdp and newer libbpf.
> >>>>> It also enables AF_XDP support by default as long as all the
> >>>>> dependencies are available.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Ilya,
> >>>>
> >>>> I did not yet review the patch, but I do not like enabling AF_XPD 
> >>>> support by default for the following reasons:
> >>>
> >>> Hi, Eelco.  Thanks for taking a look!
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> - I still believe AF_XDP support in OVS has not had many field trials,
> >>>>   so I would still classify this as an “experimental” feature.
> >>>
> >>> This patch set doesn't make the feature non-experimental.
> >>> There is still a warning about that in the documentation.
> >>> See the patch 3/6.
> >>>
> >>> In general, we do build a lot of experimental features by
> >>> default and users can enable these features.  For example,
> >>> some PMD management features, userspace TSO or AVX512 support.
> >>>
> >>> Enabling the build may increase the number of field trials
> >>> performed by enthusiastic users, so should have some
> >>> positive impact on development in general.  I've seen an
> >>> increased interest in trying out this feature recently.
> >>> Also, the feature doesn't impact existing users, they still
> >>> need to explicitly create ports of afxdp type in order to
> >>> use them.  The code is pretty much independent from other
> >>> parts of OVS.
> >>>
> >>>> - Reversing build option logic might cause problems for distributions>   
> >>>> (or at least require people to think, as now they have to explicitly 
> >>>> disable it).
> >>>
> >>> This is true for every other feature.  And I added an explicit
> >>> disabling for Debian and Fedora packaging in the patch 3/6.
> >>> In general, distributions should not blindly take every
> >>> new release without checking the NEWS anyway.
> >>
> >> fwiw; we have interest in AF_XDP too and I'm currently evaluating if
> >> we have the bits aligned to enable this by default in Debian too.
> >>
> >> One challenge is that in Debian libbpf 0.8 is a compatibility package
> >> and the development package is only available as a 1.x, and at the
> >> same time xdp-tools is linked with libbpf 0.8. So when building OVS it
> >> will try to link with both libbpf 0.8 via libxdp and libbpf 1.x, which
> >> I think may be preventing this from working right now.
> >>
> >> That is our problem to sort though, and we have no issue with having
> >> this important feature be enabled by default in the upstream build
> >> system.
> >
> > ftr; This was already sorted in Debian, I was using an out of date system.
> >
> > With that fixed, it does appear that OVS or xdp-tools may need an
> > update to work with libbpf 1.x:
> > 2022-12-12T16:01:32.800Z|00067|netdev_afxdp|WARN|libbpf: prog
> > 'xdp_dispatcher': missing BPF prog type, check ELF section name
> > 'xdp/dispatcher'
> > 2022-12-12T16:01:32.800Z|00068|netdev_afxdp|WARN|libbpf: prog
> > 'xdp_dispatcher': failed to load: -22
> >
>
> Hmm.  OVS doesn't load xdp programs on its own, it relies on libbpf
> to load a default program.

Yes, I believe libxdp is at fault here and not this series nor OVS.

> BTW, are you testing with the second patch of this patch set applied?
> Otherwise, OVS will use some deprecated APIs that might be broken.

WIth the whole set, It works fine on a pristine Fedora 37 system with
libbpf 0.8, but on for example Debian with libbpf 1.0.1. I've
confirmed it works also on Debian with libbpf 0.8.

I suspect xdp-tools needs to be updated along the lines of [0] after
libbpf was updated in [1].

0: 
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/[email protected]/T/
1: 
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/450b167fb9be91a8164d3f3d734674f5fe95b22d

-- 
Frode Nordahl
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