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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Jonathan Parker <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Keep a lookout for Umbraco 5 as well as this is going to be written in
> ASP.NET MVC.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Grant Molloy <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Grant,
>>
>> There's plenty of CMS' to choose from here..
>> http://www.cmswire.com/cms/products/
>>
>> I've had a look at Umbraco, DNN and SiteFinity..
>> They're all pretty good, although DNN doesn't appear to target the same
>> audience as Umbraco and SiteFinity.
>>
>> Grant
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Grant Maw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey David
>>>
>>> Thanks for the detailed response.
>>>
>>> We have to use a .net solution because the client is heavily invested in
>>> .net already and we want to re-use as much as we can in terms of existing
>>> skills and existing code. We are already working with DNN but Sitefinity
>>> came onto our radar and I was just curious as to what people's experiences
>>> were. We'll probably grab the free copy and evaluate it, as well as the one
>>> you mention below.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Grant
>>>
>>> On 16 March 2010 15:10, David Connors <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  On 16 March 2010 14:40, Grant Maw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wondering if anyone has used Telerik's Sitefinity product before, and
>>>>> if so, what are your thoughts on it as opposed to the other .net CMSs
>>>>> (DotNetNuke in particular). How do you rate it in terms of the learning
>>>>> curve from a developer perspective, ease of deployment of apps, source
>>>>> control issues (if any) etc
>>>>>
>>>>> Any and all comments appreciated
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've not used Sitefinity (looks pretty simplistic from the screenies)
>>>> but as far as my wide and varied search has gone over the years, there are
>>>> no good content management solutions for .NET. If you're after something
>>>> that doesn't pump out some debacle based on web.forms with multiple URLs 
>>>> for
>>>> the same piece of content, etc then you're fresh out of luck. We have 
>>>> always
>>>> ended up doing bespoke solutions for customers - at least that way we can
>>>> ensure we're generating content that is not clogged up with
>>>> viewstate/__dopostback/entire-page-wrapped-in-<form>-tags and other
>>>> web.forms junk.
>>>>
>>>> We did an eval of DNN as a basis for making ozdotnet a web based forum
>>>> (using ActiveForums + the mail connector) and found it particularly
>>>> irritating in terms of the final content rendered and the general pain of
>>>> using the content management application. You end up spending so much time
>>>> fighting their crappy framework that you start to think you might just be
>>>> better writing it all yourself. It is also heavy on the data tier so, like
>>>> most open source amateur night endeavours, a caching strategy (and
>>>> associated pain for highly dynamic sites) is mandatory, not optional. There
>>>> was a whole bunch of stuff in DNN screwed at the time like the scheduler 
>>>> not
>>>> working - and the developers did not appear to give a rats about fixing the
>>>> issues (only to give you the normal useless nerd tech support answer of a
>>>> lecture about not using a web based scheduler but writing a service instead
>>>> - which is good advice except if you're trying to make a COTS package like
>>>> ActiveForums work and it is built around the web based scheduler)
>>>>
>>>> The best thing we've come across is KenticoCMS however it has a lot of
>>>> odd behaviours (multiple URLs for the same piece of content,
>>>> www.codify.com/lists is not the same as www.codify.com/lists/,
>>>> confusion between folders and pages, scalability issues and so on). The
>>>> content management application experience is still less than ideal (you
>>>> really need to know HTML to get the result you want online) and you end up
>>>> writing everything in MS Word and then converting it to ASCII then marking
>>>> it up again in HTML inside the CMS. Their HTML rich editor will defeat your
>>>> every attempt at getting a consistent result on the page. Simple tasks like
>>>> rearranging ten pages is very difficult due to tree views refreshing on
>>>> every operation and so on. Plus it is not cheap if you want to host 
>>>> multiple
>>>> sites. But it is the best of a bad bunch in my view and lets you get the
>>>> fundamentals around content tagging/meta data right.
>>>>
>>>> What are you specifically trying to achieve? That might guide the advice
>>>> the list gives you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Connors ([email protected])
>>>> Software Engineer
>>>> Codify Pty Ltd - www.codify.com
>>>> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61
>>>> 417 189 363
>>>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
>>>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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