Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing support where I have a choice.
I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up about it. Disclaimer: I'm human. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - > Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm > > The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer > market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago > (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something > that old. > > So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, > yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows > Phone? Odd > > Disclaimer: I work for HP > > Cheers > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Stephen Price > Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM > To: ozDotNet > Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > HP LaserJet 1000. > Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I > can find it now. lol > > Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >> What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? >> >> Cheers >> Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Stephen Price >> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM >> To: ozDotNet >> Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> >> I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when >> they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They >> abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I >> stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably >> some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. >> >> My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich >> update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes >> with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing >> ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support >> calls don't come in when they roll it out? >> >> I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do > this. >> Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't > perfect. >> >> The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain >> on here on this list or go and do something about it? >> >> Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. >> ;) >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Stephen, >>> >>> Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months >>> or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm >>> pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the >>> length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a >>> current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in >>> that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably >>> expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release >>> dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: >>> hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has >>> been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also >>> moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg >>> Galaxy >> II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. >>> >>> Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of >>> my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend >>> to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. >>> It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be >>> worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the >>> new devices out the better. >>> >>> >>> |-----Original Message----- >>> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >>> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Price >>> |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM >>> |To: ozDotNet >>> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >>> | >>> |Why don't you two get a room? :) >>> | >>> |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't >>> |have to >>> make >>> |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. >>> |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I >>> |don't >>> think >>> |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a >>> |newer >>> improved >>> |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up >>> |in a >>> draw >>> |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing >>> |(if you >>> are >>> |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of >>> |the >>> contract >>> |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the >>> |option >>> to >>> |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old >>> |then >>> phones >>> |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay >>> |elsewhere) >>> and no >>> |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. >>> | >>> |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. >>> Thats >>> |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I >>> |have at >>> home >>> |in the draw somewhere. >>> | >>> |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that >>> |will >>> take. I'm >>> |kinda stunned that's news. >>> | >>> |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and >>> |what assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone > or not. >>> |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I >>> |don't >>> care. It's >>> |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! >>> We'll all >>> |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a deeeep >>> |breath, >>> and >>> |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people >>> |walking >>> about >>> |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. >>> | >>> |And.... Go. >>> | >>> |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie >>> |<[email protected]> >>> |wrote: >>> |> what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? >>> |> >>> |> you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? >>> |> >>> |> over a telephone??? >>> |> >>> |> I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks >>> |> >>> |> >>> |> On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy >>> |> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> |>> >>> |>> Hi David Thiessen, >>> |>> >>> |>> |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to >>> |>> |think it >>> |>> is.... >>> |>> | >>> |>> |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will >>> |>> |not buy him a >>> |>> lollie in >>> |>> |the supermarket >>> |>> | >>> |>> |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed >>> |>> | >>> |>> |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe >>> |>> >>> |>> >>> |>> Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or >>> |>> discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at >>> |>> [email protected] >>> |>> >>> |>> >>> >> >
