p.s. i was not picking any fights if you care to read back but nice attempt at a smear
On 27 June 2012 19:55, .net noobie <[email protected]> wrote: > No, Bill wrong again > > read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are > > but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for > months after they used to wipe the floor > becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. > > i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again, > you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not > your problem? lol ;) > > and if you read what i posted on this subject and what I said, > you have no case period, if you like it or not > > you seem to think you can just imply someone is lying about things > becuase they looked/read/listened > to different information than you obviouly have and came up with a > different conclusion > > Not a lot to discuss, the phone is not upgradable, thats it > > if you are upset about it, thats fine... but no need to vent your > anger on me, I am not Microsoft > > > On 27 June 2012 19:24, Stephen Price <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. >> >> The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there >> were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just >> abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed >> with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, >> are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is >> plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then >> in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the >> carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is >> now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No >> drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, >> of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of >> driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing >> support where I have a choice. >> >> I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If >> I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up >> about it. >> >> Disclaimer: I'm human. >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - >>> Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm >>> >>> The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer >>> market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago >>> (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something >>> that old. >>> >>> So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, >>> yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows >>> Phone? Odd >>> >>> Disclaimer: I work for HP >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ken >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Stephen Price >>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM >>> To: ozDotNet >>> Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >>> >>> HP LaserJet 1000. >>> Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I >>> can find it now. lol >>> >>> Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Price >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM >>>> To: ozDotNet >>>> Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >>>> >>>> I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when >>>> they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They >>>> abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I >>>> stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably >>>> some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. >>>> >>>> My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich >>>> update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes >>>> with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing >>>> ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support >>>> calls don't come in when they roll it out? >>>> >>>> I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do >>> this. >>>> Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't >>> perfect. >>>> >>>> The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain >>>> on here on this list or go and do something about it? >>>> >>>> Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi Stephen, >>>>> >>>>> Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months >>>>> or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm >>>>> pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the >>>>> length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a >>>>> current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in >>>>> that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably >>>>> expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release >>>>> dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: >>>>> hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has >>>>> been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also >>>>> moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg >>>>> Galaxy >>>> II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. >>>>> >>>>> Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of >>>>> my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend >>>>> to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. >>>>> It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be >>>>> worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the >>>>> new devices out the better. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> |-----Original Message----- >>>>> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- >>>>> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Price >>>>> |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM >>>>> |To: ozDotNet >>>>> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >>>>> | >>>>> |Why don't you two get a room? :) >>>>> | >>>>> |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't >>>>> |have to >>>>> make >>>>> |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. >>>>> |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I >>>>> |don't >>>>> think >>>>> |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a >>>>> |newer >>>>> improved >>>>> |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up >>>>> |in a >>>>> draw >>>>> |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing >>>>> |(if you >>>>> are >>>>> |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of >>>>> |the >>>>> contract >>>>> |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the >>>>> |option >>>>> to >>>>> |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old >>>>> |then >>>>> phones >>>>> |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay >>>>> |elsewhere) >>>>> and no >>>>> |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. >>>>> | >>>>> |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. >>>>> Thats >>>>> |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I >>>>> |have at >>>>> home >>>>> |in the draw somewhere. >>>>> | >>>>> |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that >>>>> |will >>>>> take. I'm >>>>> |kinda stunned that's news. >>>>> | >>>>> |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and >>>>> |what assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone >>> or not. >>>>> |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I >>>>> |don't >>>>> care. It's >>>>> |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! >>>>> We'll all >>>>> |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a deeeep >>>>> |breath, >>>>> and >>>>> |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people >>>>> |walking >>>>> about >>>>> |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. >>>>> | >>>>> |And.... Go. >>>>> | >>>>> |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie >>>>> |<[email protected]> >>>>> |wrote: >>>>> |> what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? >>>>> |> >>>>> |> you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? >>>>> |> >>>>> |> over a telephone??? >>>>> |> >>>>> |> I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks >>>>> |> >>>>> |> >>>>> |> On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy >>>>> |> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> |>> >>>>> |>> Hi David Thiessen, >>>>> |>> >>>>> |>> |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to >>>>> |>> |think it >>>>> |>> is.... >>>>> |>> | >>>>> |>> |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will >>>>> |>> |not buy him a >>>>> |>> lollie in >>>>> |>> |the supermarket >>>>> |>> | >>>>> |>> |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed >>>>> |>> | >>>>> |>> |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe >>>>> |>> >>>>> |>> >>>>> |>> Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or >>>>> |>> discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at >>>>> |>> [email protected] >>>>> |>> >>>>> |>> >>>>> >>>> >>>
