Hi Grant,
Which SteelSeries ones do you like? Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grant Maw Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013 2:00 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Developer keyboard You really ought to try a mechanical keyboard. They are more expensive but they are solid, well built, and will last you a lifetime if you look after them. My (non-touch) typing has improved by a factor of 2, and I was pretty fast before this. Look at Armor for a wireless one or SteelSeries for a wired one. On 15 August 2013 13:51, Wallace Turner <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Do not accept that the ergonomic keyboard will make your life easier. I used one for well over a year before I realised I hated it. its too big, its inconvenient. when debugging step out is a pain in the neck as I'm used to using my left hand alone to do this (Shift-11) as my right hand is on the mouse so i can inspect variables or whatever I need to do when debugging. I'm back on a compact keyboard - works for me. http://www.dhgate.com/product/new-dell-mini-1012-series-uk-black-keyboard/14 3650991.html?utm_source=pla <http://www.dhgate.com/product/new-dell-mini-1012-series-uk-black-keyboard/1 43650991.html?utm_source=pla&utm_medium=GMC&utm_campaign=wisshen&utm_term=14 3650991&f=bm%7c143650991%7c104006-Keyboards-Mice-Input%7cGMC%7cAdwords%7cpla %7cwisshen%7cAU%7c104006007-LaptopReplacementKeyboards%7cc%7c&gclid=CIvSya7F _rgCFcYipQodXjoAkA> &utm_medium=GMC&utm_campaign=wisshen&utm_term=143650991&f=bm%7c143650991%7c1 04006-Keyboards-Mice-Input%7cGMC%7cAdwords%7cpla%7cwisshen%7cAU%7c104006007- LaptopReplacementKeyboards%7cc%7c&gclid=CIvSya7F_rgCFcYipQodXjoAkA On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Corneliu I. Tusnea <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Hi David, I'm a big fan of keyboards and I've tested heaps and heaps of them and I always go back to the ergonomic ones from Microsoft. I know you don't like them but I think they are very very good and once you get used you'll never want to go back. I'm currently using the Microsoft Natural 400 http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000 I have one at home and one at work and they rock. The split angle is small enough to allow easy use with one hand in the rare moments that I need to use a single hand and keep a hand on the mouse. The older ergonomic ones were having a higher angle making them impossible to use with one hand. I also looked at that new Manta Ray and I think I'll buy one. I like that the keypad is separate and I love the long delete key (my previous keyboard had that long delete and I enjoyed it. To make my life easier I always remap most of VS commands that I frequently use to use only the left hand with no need to use the right hand. - Alt+1 - Build Selected Project - Alt+2 - Find References (Resharper) - Alt+W - Highlight References - Alt+Q - Goto Definition and few more so you can keep a hand on the mouse and one on the keyboard :) I think no keyboard shortcut should ever need two hands. Whoever came up with the Ctrl+Shift+F12 shortcut and Ctrl+Shift+B? Have you tried to press Ctrl+Shift+B with one hand? My hand hurts just looking a the keyboard to try to figure out how to press that. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:08 PM, mike smith <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:04 PM, David Richards <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: A bit off topic and a bit on topic. I've been in the market for a good developer keyboard for a while but never seem to find anything I like. I was just wondering if others on this list had found a decent keyboard. A few qualifying points: I don't want a number pad or at least I don't want one on the right of the keyboard. Not that I have anything against them, I just want my mouse to be closer. I've tested this using a cheap (and crappy) laptop like keyboard and there is a noticeable difference in comfort. I can just as easily by a separate number pad keyboard to position elsewhere. Or not at all. If you touchtype, they are almost unused. Funny I didn't realise this, I just picked up my somewhat used KB and held it to reflect light. Right. The numeric KB is still matte, the main KB numbers are shiny with wear. I would prefer the cursor keys and the other navigation keys to be in a reasonable location. My "crappy" keyboard as some of these along the bottom. It also sacrificed the right Control key in favour of a Scroll Lock key. Who uses scroll lock any more? What does it even do? I don't like those "ergonomic" keyboards that split the keyboard to be comfortable for two hands. I don't know about the rest of you but I spend at least as much time with one hand on the mouse and the other on the keyboard as I do with both hands on the keyboard. So the ergonomic aspects are actually a hindrance when typing with one hand. Disagree. Going back to flat KB's is a major pain now for me. I don't care about media buttons or any other specific use button. I never user them. They just make the keyboard bigger. 20% of the keys on my current keyboard will never be used. Agree, and get rid of the effing flock key and all the media shifts on the f keys. Obviously I want the keys to be comfortable to use 8 hours a day. Dude, at least 8. You likely use a KB another 4-8 when you get home. The recently announce keyboard from microsoft is fairly close to what I'm looking for: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/08/microsofts-new-ergonomic-keyboard-is- just-plain-weird-looking/ But it's ergonomic style is a bit of a negative. Yes, and I'm going to call in at officeworks to buy one on the way home. Thank you! Re ergonomic. Try it for a while, you'll learn to love leaning your wrists on something. And likely hate the normal ones. I use one at home on the iMac - for such an ergonomic company Apple has awful keyboards and mice. -- Meski <http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv> http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
