An interesting point. Does that mean they are just trying to target advertising to get the votes or is that really the focus? *sigh* Of course, Murdoch has already decided if we're getting the NBN. This saturday is just a formality for the masses ;)
David "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 4 September 2013 15:38, GregAtGregLowDotCom <[email protected]> wrote: > And that’s the real issue. If it’s all about just providing some level of > service to people that have no real options today, they we need to just say > that, accept that it’s a nation-building public service for the bush and be > prepared to wear really major costs in providing it.**** > > ** ** > > But I keep seeing adverts (that I presume I’m paying for), that tell me > how important it is for letting businesses be competitive, and how > businesses are needing higher and higher speeds. Almost none of the > businesses that they are describing are in such areas. They are in areas > with some existing coverage or they wouldn’t exist.**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > Greg**** > > ** ** > > Dr Greg Low**** > > ** ** > > 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax > **** > > SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *David Richards > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:28 PM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > ** ** > > Isn't that really the point of the NBN? To try to make internet access > more available? I have no problem with people in the middle of nowhere > getting it first because they have few options. I might complain about > being stuck with optus but I still get 20Mb/s down and I think 0.25 up. I > know people in outer suburbs that just can't get it at all. I'm not > talking rural. Sure it means I don't get my FTTH in the foreseeable future > but it is the fair option.**** > > ** ** > > The fibre part of this whole argument is, strictly speaking, secondary. > Making internet access available to all for a reasonable cost is more > important. On that note, charging $5000 to get that access isn't really > the same thing. For many, you may as well say they can't have it.**** > > > **** > > David > > "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes > will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" > -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama**** > > ** ** > > On 4 September 2013 15:13, GregAtGregLowDotCom <[email protected]> wrote:** > ** > > But what’s the alternative Bill? Wait for the NBN? **** > > **** > > We’re not even on the “we’ll think about starting within 3 years” map. And > all they keep doing with the current targets is downgrading them. So what > chance do we have of seeing it in anything like a reasonable timeframe?*** > * > > **** > > I’m in an area where they’d make a lot of money by rolling it out. So by > their logic, we can’t have it. If, however, I lived out the back of > Ballarat, no problems.**** > > **** > > As I said, conceptually I love the idea. I just can’t see it actually > being delivered.**** > > **** > > Regards,**** > > **** > > Greg**** > > **** > > Dr Greg Low**** > > **** > > 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax > **** > > SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com**** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Bill McCarthy > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:06 PM**** > > > *To:* 'ozDotNet' > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > **** > > I wouldn’t count on that running that smoothly. It will take time to get > that many “fridges” installed everywhere: thinking it can all be done in > three years sounds incredibly hopeful to me. But even once that is done, > then the fibre has to be physically installed down the road/streets. If > that is done on an ad-hoc, one house here, one house there, not only is it > terribly unproductive, but you can expect a whole lot of council backlash > against the interruption to pedestrian and vehicle traffic etc, etc. > Seriously, you should try to get Telstra to run you some cable today and > see what the costs are and how long it takes: **** > > **** > > Only $5K from the exchange to your house: dreaming ;)**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *GregAtGregLowDotCom > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:51 PM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > **** > > Like most people, I’d love to have FTTH.**** > > **** > > However, I have zero confidence in the current government’s ability to > deliver it in a reasonable timeframe. Wishing for it won’t make it happen. > **** > > **** > > Given a choice between paying $3K-$5k to connect our house to a local node > in 2016, and a dream of a service that’s unlikely to appear before I retire > in about 10 years’ time, there really is no serious choice to be made. I’d > pay the $3k-$5k in a heartbeat.**** > > **** > > Regards,**** > > **** > > Greg**** > > **** > > Dr Greg Low**** > > **** > > 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax > **** > > SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com**** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *David Richards > *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:38 PM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: [OT] NBN revisited**** > > **** > > Apart from the use of "impacted", a nice article.**** > > **** > > For some reason, this whole argument reminds me of the republic referendum > some years back. I knew a number of people who didn't like the idea of a > politician appointed president and thought voting "No" meant "the people" > would vote for the president.**** > > **** > > The fact is, the vast majority of people who vote on such things do so > without all the facts. Certainly not enough to be responsible for making a > decision.**** > > **** > > People on this list will tend to be looking at it from a technical point > of view. I doubt any of this has any meaning to the population in general. > **** > > **** > > If the NBN was available in my area, I'd get it. For cable, my only > option now is Optus which is what I have. Telstra told me I could get ADSL > with a fraction of the data and for a lot more money. If only I had a > choice...**** > > > **** > > David > > "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes > will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" > -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama**** > > **** > > On 4 September 2013 13:53, Bill McCarthy <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Here’s a good read from today : > > http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/turnbulls-fragmented-nbn-dooms-australia-to-repeat-the-mistakes-of-the-past-20130904-2t4cr.html > **** > > **** > > Hopefully that will help some folks see past the one tree and start > looking at the forest.**** > > **** > > ** ** >
