I can point you to “case histories” (not provided by NBNCo) where Sydney businesses have moved to the country, in the last 18 months, where fibre trunk was available and they could spur off that to run their businesses. When you compare quality of life, travel time, available staff then (for those businesses) it made sense, and they’re doing very nicely.
Not exactly chicken / egg – a little bit of lateral thinking added. _____ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:27 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom <[email protected]> wrote: And that’s the real issue. If it’s all about just providing some level of service to people that have no real options today, they we need to just say that, accept that it’s a nation-building public service for the bush and be prepared to wear really major costs in providing it. But I keep seeing adverts (that I presume I’m paying for), that tell me how important it is for letting businesses be competitive, and how businesses are needing higher and higher speeds. Almost none of the businesses that they are describing are in such areas. They are in areas with some existing coverage or they wouldn’t exist. Chicken, meet egg. Egg, meet chicken. (my tangential way of saying they can't exist before the infrastructure exists, and trying for a CBA omits that) When I do work from home, I'm able to hit the data rate I've got easily - I could use more. And that's the fastest VDSL2 that's available. >From that BT post - yes, they don't get that the world is no longer >asymmetric, if it ever was. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 <tel:%281300%20775%20775> ) office | +61 419201410 <tel:%2B61%20419201410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913> fax SQL Down Under | Web: <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:28 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited Isn't that really the point of the NBN? To try to make internet access more available? I have no problem with people in the middle of nowhere getting it first because they have few options. I might complain about being stuck with optus but I still get 20Mb/s down and I think 0.25 up. I know people in outer suburbs that just can't get it at all. I'm not talking rural. Sure it means I don't get my FTTH in the foreseeable future but it is the fair option. The fibre part of this whole argument is, strictly speaking, secondary. Making internet access available to all for a reasonable cost is more important. On that note, charging $5000 to get that access isn't really the same thing. For many, you may as well say they can't have it. David "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 4 September 2013 15:13, GregAtGregLowDotCom <[email protected]> wrote: But what’s the alternative Bill? Wait for the NBN? We’re not even on the “we’ll think about starting within 3 years” map. And all they keep doing with the current targets is downgrading them. So what chance do we have of seeing it in anything like a reasonable timeframe? I’m in an area where they’d make a lot of money by rolling it out. So by their logic, we can’t have it. If, however, I lived out the back of Ballarat, no problems. As I said, conceptually I love the idea. I just can’t see it actually being delivered. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 <tel:%281300%20775%20775> ) office | +61 419201410 <tel:%2B61%20419201410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913> fax SQL Down Under | Web: <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:06 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited I wouldn’t count on that running that smoothly. It will take time to get that many “fridges” installed everywhere: thinking it can all be done in three years sounds incredibly hopeful to me. But even once that is done, then the fibre has to be physically installed down the road/streets. If that is done on an ad-hoc, one house here, one house there, not only is it terribly unproductive, but you can expect a whole lot of council backlash against the interruption to pedestrian and vehicle traffic etc, etc. Seriously, you should try to get Telstra to run you some cable today and see what the costs are and how long it takes: Only $5K from the exchange to your house: dreaming ;) From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:51 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited Like most people, I’d love to have FTTH. However, I have zero confidence in the current government’s ability to deliver it in a reasonable timeframe. Wishing for it won’t make it happen. Given a choice between paying $3K-$5k to connect our house to a local node in 2016, and a dream of a service that’s unlikely to appear before I retire in about 10 years’ time, there really is no serious choice to be made. I’d pay the $3k-$5k in a heartbeat. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 <tel:%281300%20775%20775> ) office | +61 419201410 <tel:%2B61%20419201410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913> fax SQL Down Under | Web: <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Richards Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:38 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited Apart from the use of "impacted", a nice article. For some reason, this whole argument reminds me of the republic referendum some years back. I knew a number of people who didn't like the idea of a politician appointed president and thought voting "No" meant "the people" would vote for the president. The fact is, the vast majority of people who vote on such things do so without all the facts. Certainly not enough to be responsible for making a decision. People on this list will tend to be looking at it from a technical point of view. I doubt any of this has any meaning to the population in general. If the NBN was available in my area, I'd get it. For cable, my only option now is Optus which is what I have. Telstra told me I could get ADSL with a fraction of the data and for a lot more money. If only I had a choice... David "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On 4 September 2013 13:53, Bill McCarthy <[email protected]> wrote: Here’s a good read from today : http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/turnbulls-fragmented-nbn-dooms-australia-to-repeat-the-mistakes-of-the-past-20130904-2t4cr.html Hopefully that will help some folks see past the one tree and start looking at the forest. -- Meski <http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv> http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
