Ketogenisis is too close to ketoaccidosis[1] for someone with insulin dependent diabetes to want to try. But if you don't, then sure :)
Vegan diets, I suspect work because you have to monitor what you eat to get a balanced diet. Avoid sugar? I do that. Also 'empty carbs' It's unlikely you can lose weight through exercise alone. If you're on this list, you're a coder, not a brickie/labourer. :) Mike [1] you even measure it the same way!! On 20 Jun. 2017 2:33 pm, "Bec C" <[email protected]> wrote: > I'd have to respectfully disagree. Tried it and lost weight. > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Nope. >> >> If you cut calories and have any carbs in your system then you will have >> insulin in your system and your body will be in storing mode. Impossible to >> lose ANY weight if you are only storing. >> >> To bring it back on topic for the list it would be like being only able >> to append records to a database table and not be able to delete. If you can >> never delete then its impossible to make the table smaller. >> >> Insulin = store only. >> >> It's hormonal not caloric. You would put weight on if your lower calories >> were high carb/sugars. Try it. >> >> On 20 Jun. 2017 12:01 pm, Bec C <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Never said a calorie is a calorie. Anyway try it, cut calories by like >> 300-500 a day and you will lose weight. >> >> Anyway this post was about sit stand desks... >> >> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> 'As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories' >> >> Read The Case Against Sugar or Pure White and Deadly, or watch That >> Sugar Film, or The Men That Made Us Fat. They all make the point that the >> basic biochemistry (which is well established) *absolutely* disagrees >> with this. Fat, glucose and fructose all have very different pathways for >> metabolism, which makes a lie of the 'calorie is a calorie' mantra (itself >> accused of being an invention of the sugar industry). In That Sugar Film >> (admittedly a sample size of one) he puts on significant weight without >> changing total calorific intake, by swapping fat for sugar (and explains >> why). >> >> I take everything I read highly skeptically, but in particular The Case >> Against Sugar is very comprehensively argued and well worth reading. The >> historical context is particularly damming. >> >> On 20 Jun. 2017 08:53, "Bec C" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You can be an idiot on any diet. I wouldn't believe everything you read >> either. I've seen studies that totally contradict each other. >> >> Just for the record I'm not actually vegan. I tried it a few years ago. >> >> As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories. Being healthy is a >> whole different thing. >> >> Anyway too off topic now >> >> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> OOTT: At the risk of starting a flame war, I'm going to call shenanigans >> on this one (sorry Bec). Whilst most vegans probably have very healthy >> diets (due to increased awareness of what they eat) there's nothing >> inherent in veganism that actually ensures this, as a quick scan down the >> vegan society pages confirms: https://www.vegansociety.com/r >> esources/lifestyle/food-and-drink. Plenty of sugary treats in that list >> described as vegan, even beans on toast is packed with the stuff. >> >> It's *not* about the calories. https://www.theguard >> ian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lust >> ig-john-yudkin >> >> OOTT= off off-topic topic >> >> On 20 Jun. 2017 06:29, "Bec C" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yep that podcast is fairly good. Veganism also works for losing weight, >> very hard to eat excess calories on a vegan diet. >> >> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Totally agree on this point. I've been ketogenic for six months now (lost >> 6kg in the first month, have plateaued now but feel great). Some .net >> people may know Carl Franklin's been podcasting at 2ketodudes.com, and >> he's done an awesome job recording his progress. 6 months and he lost 80lb >> and is no longer type 2 diabetic. >> Got so much out of it, I backed his kickstarter project to turn his town >> keto for a weekend. Flying out with my wife in a couple of weeks. Will be >> seeing the sights in New York, then up to New London for ketofest. >> Btw, you don't have to be over weight to suffer the damaging effects of >> too much carbs/sugar. The inflammatory damage in your veins can't be seen >> from the outside. >> >> One of the strange side effects I have noticed is that some days I forget >> to eat. Today, I had accidentally turned off my alarm so was running a bit >> late. Went to work with no breakfast, had one coffee at work, and worked >> right through lunch as I hadn't taken anything and office is a bit of a >> drive from places to eat. Barely noticed. >> Don't miss sugar. Finding some awesome recipes along the way. Recently >> made deep fried chicken crumbed in pork rinds combined with Parmesan >> cheese. >> So good. Hmm... this might possibly be the first recipe shared on this >> elist. :) >> >> Anyway to keep on topic, had a standup desk and my last project, one of >> those motorised ones. Great for exercise and strengthening but not losing >> weight. What you put in your body has way more effect in that regard. You >> can lose weight with zero exercise, but exercise is important for other >> reasons. I.e. Preventing muscles wasting away. If you don't use it, you >> lose it. >> >> Cheers, >> Stephen >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on >> behalf of Piers Williams <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Monday, June 19, 2017 8:46:35 PM >> *To:* ozDotNet >> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results >> >> There are quite a few people in my office now using sit-to-stand desks. I >> sent a scary article around about a year or so ago about the health issues, >> but I think it's mostly the availability of reasonable quality converters >> (Varidesk etc) that's really changed things. >> >> I'm between offices too much to have one myself (I'd need 3), so I just >> concentrate on having a regular walk around the office instead, and having >> all meetings as stand ups. And - on the insulin front - be sure to read up >> on (and cut down on) the sugar that's crammed into everything these days. >> >> On 19 Jun. 2017 14:33, "Tony Wright" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> No, not the back for me. They say that your body stops regulating insulin >> properly after 4 hours of sitting, and that's about when I was feeling >> unwell/lethargic from sitting. >> >> Regards, >> Tony >> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Tom Rutter <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Did you switch to this for a specific reason (lower back problem for >> example)? If so did this help at all in a noticeable way? >> >> >> On Monday, 19 June 2017, Tony Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> It changes for me. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I sit. If I feel that >> I've been sitting for too long, I hit the buttons and stand for a while. >> I'm not regretful for one second that I have the option. >> >> Regards, >> Tony >> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Tom Rutter <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hey folks >> >> I recall a while ago discussion into sit/stand desks and was interested >> in how people went with this setup. Did those that tried standing get any >> good (or bad) results? Are they still doing it or went back to only sitting? >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> >>
