Yep, it’s the same logic that got cholesterol in so much trouble. They assumed 
that eating cholesterol increased your cholesterol level. Never been true 
though yet it was widely promoted and stopped people eating eggs, etc. for 
decades.

Regards,

Greg

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 3:48 PM
To: ozDotNet <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results

When I was a wee lad I remember doing science experiments that showed that not 
all compounds were equal, and some chemical reactions produced more energy than 
others. If you consume food that doesn't digest it might have lots of calories 
but you won't be consuming any of those calories. So this whole idea of 
calories consumed equalling calories stored or used doesn't actually make sense 
to me. It's the compounds that count and the chemical reactions on those 
compounds. Glucose gets metabolised all over the body, but fructose gets 
digested only in the liver. It's a totally different set of chemical reactions 
going on.

On 20 Jun 2017 3:39 PM, "David Richards" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I've been avoiding this conversation.  I've had arguments with friends over 
this.  However, I decided to give my two kilojoules since, while its OT, its 
very relevant to IT types that generally tend to have a sedentary life style.

There is a fundamental law of physics at work here: Conservation of energy.  
The change in energy in a system (fat, glucose, protein, etc) is energy in 
(kilojoules absorbed from food) minus energy out (moving, thinking, living).  
It doesn't matter what your body does or what form the energy is in. If you use 
more energy than you absorb, you will lose weight.

I've counted kilojoules, tracked exercise and monitored weight.  Doing this, I 
was able to lose weight quite successfully and with little difficulty.  People 
mention hormones and starvation mode, etc.  This doesn't somehow override 
conservation of energy.  It just means you have to continually monitor how your 
weight is changing based on the kilojoules in/out.  As your body becomes more 
efficient at absorbing energy and more efficient at living, you will need to 
decrease the kilojoules in to compensate.

My anecdotal example:  I would set a target average daily kilojoule intake 
(averaged over each week) and monitor my weight.  When it stopped going down, I 
decrease my target daily average until I started losing weight again.  When I 
started, my daily target was around 8000 kJ (before that I was eating closer to 
10000 kJ).  By the time I got to my target weight, I had decreased it to 6000 
kJ.  I was less hungry, had more energy, ate healthier and spent less money on 
food.

David

"If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

On 20 June 2017 at 14:32, Bec C 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'd have to respectfully disagree. Tried it and lost weight.


On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Nope.

If you cut calories and have any carbs in your system then you will have 
insulin in your system and your body will be in storing mode. Impossible to 
lose ANY weight if you are only storing.

To bring it back on topic for the list it would be like being only able to 
append records to a database table and not be able to delete. If you can never 
delete then its impossible to make the table smaller.

Insulin = store only.

It's hormonal not caloric. You would put weight on if your lower calories were 
high carb/sugars. Try it.


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