I don't think the mess is as much of a new thing as people make out - Java dev has always been like this from what I could see. It's just in the dotnet world (until recently) we've been pretty conservative, and stuck to the Microsoft sanctioned approach (by and large). Even then, we've got WPF frameworks coming out of our ears, endless persistence battles, a brace of Di containers and a bewildering variety of different packaging technologies (msi old school, msi/wix, webdeploy, nuget via octopus, zip, SCCM, clickonce, squirrel, universal app packaging etc).
So if it looks big and scary that's just because it's an entire alien ecosystem. (for some of us). Maps for Java, Dotnet, AWS, Azure would look similarly daunting. Web dev just grew up that's all (eg JavaScript unit testing didnt used to be a thing at all) On 23 Jun. 2017 07:59, "Scott Barnes" <scott.bar...@gmail.com> wrote: > I love that roadmap because it actually visualises the mess we live in > today... so yeah... again.. is this really our best idea of the day? > HTML/JS? :D > > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap seems like quite a >> good landscape overview >> >> On 18 June 2017 at 18:47, Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks guys. I suspect that what I'm really after is the answer to the >>> question "I'm gonna do some web dev to support my IOT projects, and to make >>> the skills saleable, what web technologies should I consider as must haves >>> these days?" >>> >>> I can see that javascript is the big one! As a .netter I'll obviously >>> get reskilled in MVC and I already have ORM & SQL skills anyway. >>> >>> Again thanks for taking the time for your detailed answers! >>> >>> >>> >>> regards, >>> Preet, in Auckland NZ >>> >>> >>> On 18 June 2017 at 15:02, Stephen Price <step...@lythixdesigns.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a >>>> product suite. >>>> >>>> >>>> The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new >>>> features and bug fixes coming out regularly. >>>> >>>> Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other >>>> frameworks that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie >>>> say WPF) then yeah you could say its less mature. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases >>>> are stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release >>>> is more stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month. >>>> Show stopper bugs are unusual. >>>> >>>> >>>> Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say >>>> that it would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over >>>> Web technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you >>>> further dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop, >>>> web and mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to >>>> date, then you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on >>>> Angular 2 (about the time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I >>>> don't even know what version it's at now. >>>> >>>> >>>> It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving >>>> fronts. The more time you have available the more of them you can keep on >>>> top off. I guess it comes down to your personal interests and goals on >>>> which you focus on. Which do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or >>>> permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on one technology or like to spread your >>>> skills across many different technologies? If you do go deep on one, then >>>> that will take you away from others. >>>> >>>> >>>> Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel >>>> like work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as >>>> employers tend to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right >>>> path finding out the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might >>>> be a much harder task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer, >>>> I've never seen two projects using identical technology stacks. Even when >>>> you compare two Angular projects, or whatever. >>>> >>>> That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder. >>>> >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> >>>> on behalf of Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM >>>> *To:* ozDotNet >>>> *Subject:* Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self >>>> respecting Dev should know these days? >>>> >>>> Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone >>>> doing commercial projects in the portable technologies? >>>> >>>> I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't >>>> seem to resonate as mature technology. >>>> >>>> On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha" <preetsan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cheers. I appreciate the feedback. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work. >>>>>> >>>>>> But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard >>>>>> to get work in Melb with no Angular or React experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity >>>>>> framework, sql server. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, 16 June 2017, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Preet, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where >>>>>>> "it" is mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It >>>>>>> also depends on location from my experience. I'm not familiar with the >>>>>>> Auckland market at all. In Melbourne most of the maintenance work is in >>>>>>> mvc, very little if any webforms, LOTS of Angular/React/whatever JS >>>>>>> framework. Same for Sydney. Canberra is mostly webforms and mvc from >>>>>>> what I >>>>>>> know (govt is usually a bit behind), Qld and WA I am not sure about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you're wanting to get back into web dev I would ask you why. Not >>>>>>> joking. :) If your reason is because you want to update and get back >>>>>>> into >>>>>>> it I'd say go hard on Javascript. If you're after money I'd say forget >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> that and get into Salesforce lol. Kidding. Well not really. As I said >>>>>>> earlier you need to know your market too if you're wanting to be >>>>>>> valuable >>>>>>> (hireable). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, 16 June 2017, Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi team, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Got Friday OT question for you all. I started .net with the beta >>>>>>>> and used aspx all those years ago. I stayed with ASPX until about 2007 >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> about then I moved into doing more desktop development. I'd really >>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>> dust off and polish my web dev skills but there seems to be a plethora >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> things that have sort of past me by Azure, Javascript, Angular (?) to >>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>> a few. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that fair few of you do web dev so i was wondering what you >>>>>>>> could advise as the must have skills today! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to give you a history, from 2007 I did WCF/WF & WPF type >>>>>>>> stuff, from 2010 I did more Cubes and SSRS BI stuff and for the past >>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>> of years I've been doing pure legacy desktop C++/CLI/.Net so not a lot >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> webbie stuff at all :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> piers >> more pedantry at http://piers7.blogspot.com/ >> > >
