I'm glad I'm not the only grumpy old fart in here! -- *GK* On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 13:44, Dr Greg Low <g...@sqldownunder.com> wrote:
> Yep, we talk about browsers like there’s consistency there. There still > isn’t. And it’s a huge hit on productivity. I see so much lost effort > trying to align pixels across different browsers, different versions of > browsers, etc. It’s just silly. > > > > I remember being on a web app project. I was doing the data bits, and > there were 10 devs doing the web parts. > > > > After 6 months, I looked at what the other 10 had produced and knew I > could have built that myself in a winform app in a fortnight, by myself. > > > > But, no, they didn’t have to deal with “DLL-hell” from the thick clients. > > > > Yet now, every time I open a VS project that I haven’t touched for a few > months, I totally cringe. Instead of DLL-hell on deployment, I now usually > have “dependency-hell” with multiple inconsistent updates to dependent > frameworks. Sometimes I can’t even work out how to resolve it and must > reimplement part of the code. > > > > What we as an industry have done to productivity is tragic. > > > > Regards, > > > > Greg > > > > Dr Greg Low > > > > 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile > > SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com | About Greg: > https://about.me/greg.low > > > > *From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> > *Sent:* Friday, September 8, 2023 1:30 PM > *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> > *Cc:* David Connors <da...@connors.com>; Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: Blazor popularity and use > > > > Sure, deploying a web app to a server is easier than distributing thick > client updates to many recipients, but that's a lucky side-effect. I stand > by my claim that the web browser is a woefully inadequate host for business > applications. I even have an example from today ... > > > > A Blazor app version update was published, with some small fixes and UI > tweaks which required css changes. I get a report that some clients are > seeing parts of the page squashed or the text is ugly mixed sizes. After > some back-and-forth with suggested quick fixes, the only fix was to clear > the browser cache and restart the browser, which is really irritating for > non-technical clients. I'm sure there are ways around this problem, with > special meta tags or similar tricks, but it's more hoops to jump through > and a good example of just how crappy the web browser is for business use. > > > > -- *Greg* > > > > On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 13:08, David Connors via ozdotnet < > ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 12:06, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet < > ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote > > I must end on a sad note. ASP.NET, Blazor, JS, or whatever, all finish-up > rendering in a web browser. It's tragic that the ancient dumb web browser > is now the only host for web apps, and that we must attempt to present > serious business applications using HTML, CSS and JS. The web browser was > invented so we could have flame wars and look at pictures of cats and porn, > it's barely evolved since then and it's completely inadequate for rendering > business applications. Sure it can, but look at the flaming hoops and all > the weird quirks you have to jump through. Web development is in a > lamentable state. > > > > You have a short memory of what it was like deploying apps back when thick > clients were the only option. Modern web has done more to streamline ops > than anything else and reduced application deployment to pushing code to an > app service and end-user deployment to pasting a link in an e-mail or IM. > > > > > > -- > ozdotnet mailing list > To manage your subscription, access archives: https://codify.mailman3.com/ > >
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