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Denise my dear:
The guy is Caldeyro-Barcia, and he is from Uruguay,
right besides my state, Rio Grande do Sul, in the extreme south of this huge
country Brasil. We have had, in the northern Brasil, one of the most
fantastic obstetricians in this conteporary world: Galba Araujo, that worked
with TBAs in rural areas, and made a revolution in maternal and perinatal
mortality rates.
You know, Caldeyro-Barcia's daughter is Lucia
Caldeyro, that is a doula that works in S�o Paulo, and is a close friend of
mine. Caldeyro was my idol when I was a medical student, and once I was
presenting a lecture in S�o Paulo and I said that Caldeyro, Galba and Marsden
Wagner are my idols in medical field. At the end of the reunion she said: "So,
you like my father's work?" I said: "Are you Caldeyro-Barcia's daughter?" She
laughed and said "Yes".. WOW.... That's fantastic.... I got
embarassed to know her, because her father was a God to me...
I would like to say some words about the "Friends
in Light"...but, Maria Helena, the creator of the
project, is trying to join this list, with no success till now. I prefer she
says something about that, mostly because she has a much better english than
mine.
Brasil is quite different from Australia and N
Zealand. We are similar to USA, because tecnocracy here is absolutely dominant.
We don't have ONGs already strong to protect women or birth, as USA has, or
Australia (I think you do have some there...). Doctors are Gods here, and
machines are replacing the relationship doctors used to have with their
patients. Like the american medicine we are going to a dead end, a real "cul de
sac".
But... in Brasil we DON'T have midwives in urban
centers, and we only have a few ones in rural and poor areas in the extreme
north and northwest of Brasil. We have very few nurse midwives delivering babies
in some cities, like S Paulo, but that's much less than 1% of births. My wife is
a nurse-midwife (the most charming and sexy I've ever known.. LOL) but she works
as a regular nurse. She don't have permission to deliver babies in the hospital
she works, even working in the obstetric ward of a great hospital here. She
witness every day the institutional violence against women (proibition of
parents at the delivery and labor, pytocin, episiotomies, upright position,
etc...) and can do nothing besides crying in my shoulder when she arrives from
the shift. So, doulas could do a good job in hospitals here, working along with
tecnocratic doctors and nurse (also tecnocratized professionals). They could be
cushions of women in labour. It's a different scenario than what we see in
countries that have nurse-midwives or midwives (direct entry ones) that can
really assist births.
We are in stone age of humanization, that's why
every victory here is so great, and the struggle to modify the context is
so hard. Anyway it's a fantastic task, a marvelous fight to give dignity, caress
and love to all these women giving birth
The idea of "Friends in Light" is to put another
actor in the birth scene, so we can, step by step, modify the relationship of
these tecnocratic professionals (nurses and doctors) with women.
Maybe when we can gather a great number of midwives
and humanized doctors here, doulas will be no longer necessary. That's what I
expect to find in this century. Not for me, of course, but for my granchildren,
maybe.
Sorry my dear friends for this "uga-uga"
english...
And you are right, Denise... This is a marvelous
country...
And here we love to kiss !!
Kisses for all of you !!
Ric
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:45
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in
Brasil
Dear all
I travelled around Sth America including Brazil
when I was younger and Ricardo's Kisses!!
brought memories back of my fabulous time
particularly in Rio.
so thank for the warm fuzzies
As the continent that brought the world Kangaroo
Care and Caldo-Barcia we know we can learn from you also!
obrigato (?? my
brazillian spelling)
Denise
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:50
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in
Brasil
Dear Denise:
Next month (october) I will be in Cleveland,
giving a lecture about Humanization on Childirth in Case Western University,
showing my own experience with birth. It will take several years to
transform birth in Brasil in a women centered and cientifically
based assistance, and I honestly think that doulas is a valid way to do
that.
I would love to know Sydney, and I am sure I
will do that someday, bur still have to get enough money to do
that.
Andrea... I will read the doula articles
you wrote, Andrea.
I know it's controversial, but I don't think
that allowing parents to enter the obstetric ward colides with the idea of
having a doula to give assistance to the laboring woman.
Nurses in my country don't have time to do
that. They are a few in the hospital, and are involved in burocratic stuff.
It's almost impossible to see a 1 to 1 care with nurses here. And, besides
that, universities in Brasil graduates nurses as tecnocratic as doctors.
That's a hard scenario, but that's why we all here... to change a bit and to
give a better world to our kids... :o)
Anyway, I am opened to that discussion, and I
want to learn ALL the alternatives to give dignity and power to women giving
birth.
Kisses !!!
Ric
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002
8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello -
Brasil here...
Dear ricardo
Welcome
Are you coming to the International meeting
of OBs in Sydney next month??
Denise hynd
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002
4:29 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello -
Brasil here...
Hello everybody:
My name is Ricardo Herbert
Jones
I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had
the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress
about Humanization of Childbirth in S�o Paulo, Brasil.
As an obstetrician I would like to share
experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I
think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every
single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet -
who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of us
were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman�s womb. Were
we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we
cherished by mom�s tender body till we entered this world? These are
different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now,
and work with births from 20 years) I learned that
women shall be treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in
our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors
usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects.
That�s a terrible thing, because it�s a human�s right
problem.
I am one of the leaders of Rehuna
(Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to
empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the
government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public
hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called "Friends in Light",
to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro.
Ok, as u can see my english is not quite
well, and I love to talk too much...
Hope I can get good advices from you
all.
Ricardo Herbert Jones
Ob/Gyn and Homeopath
Porto Alegre - Brasil
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