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Denise:
My grandparents were from
England
My grandfather was Samuel Herbert
Jones, and my grandmother was Maria Clotilde Messider Thorpe
They were cousins, and since my
grandmother was going to marry (family pressure...) an old and rich guy in
Manchester, my grandfather "kidnapped" her, and they both flew to Brasil. Here
they had 8 children, one of them is my father.
So... I am delighted too, seeing
people at the other side of this world that are "Herbert-Jones", like me, my
father and my son...
That's a little village we
live...
Isn't that?
Send my regards to Herbert Isaac
Jones, wherever he is. Maybe, like grampa Sammy, he is no longer in this
world...
Anyway, tell him that we are so proud
here to belong to the "Jones Clan"...
Kisses from Brasil !!!!
Ric
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:29
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Doulas and
heroes
Dear Ricardo,
As a another complete aside I am
delighted with your name as Herbert (Isaac) Jones was the name of my maternal
grandfather.
He was a man of the 1920's who kept
his hair the same cut and other things from when he married my grandmother
!!
He frightened me a little as a child but was very supportive when
I was an adult in a noble profession!
Denise Hynd
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:32
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas and
heroes
Hello tchurma...
I read Andrea�s article, and I
agree with almost everything she says.
Anyway, let�s understand the
"doula craze" in different situations and contexts.
In tecnocratic contexts it is
REALLY a blessing, because we still have so much work to be done in the
direction of humanization of chilbirth.
In Australia, Holland, New
Zealand, maybe they are not really necessary, or not too
helpfull.
So.. we have different
situations. Different countries and realities.
Doulas CAN make a difference in
Brasil. But I dream of the day that they will be no longer
necessary.
Obstetricians attending normal
birth in my country (like me) IS the reality nowadays. The first thing
to do is humanize these doctor�s atittudes, step by step.
Doulas and the presence of the
family (or a chosen companion) in the obstetric room (believe me, it�s
not a right here yet !!) are some of the steps.
But I dream of the day that
doctors come to be heroes, just for the rare sittuation an intervention is
absolutely necessary.
Each thing at each
time...
Ric
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:36
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in
Brasil
Hi there
Here in South Africa we also see that midwifes dont have
time for this helping the mother.They are very few in veeeeeery busy ward
with a lot of clients birthing.In my area specific I know that doulas will
do such a lot but doulas are still very foreign.I recently attended a
birth in a ABU with a ob/gyn who is a midwifes dream because she have a
midwifes heart.I went in as a support person with the partner .I was a
waterbirth and after she settled I stand next to her and offered them a
cup of tea I mean the normal thing to do ...can still remember that cuppa
after my own baby.I went brought the tea stand next to her and see that
the baby latched she did it.Afterwards the midwife on duty who helped with
the birth came to say to me please not to do it because I set
expectations that they cant met...........To busy for a cup of
tea?
Hettie Grove
RN.RM.RCN.BA.CUR.ICCE.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002
1:50 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in
Brasil
Dear Denise:
Next month (october) I will be in
Cleveland, giving a lecture about Humanization on Childirth in Case
Western University, showing my own experience with birth. It will
take several years to transform birth in Brasil in a women centered
and cientifically based assistance, and I honestly think that
doulas is a valid way to do that.
I would love to know Sydney, and I am sure
I will do that someday, bur still have to get enough money to do
that.
Andrea... I will read the doula
articles you wrote, Andrea.
I know it's controversial, but I don't
think that allowing parents to enter the obstetric ward colides with the
idea of having a doula to give assistance to the laboring
woman.
Nurses in my country don't have time to do
that. They are a few in the hospital, and are involved in burocratic
stuff. It's almost impossible to see a 1 to 1 care with nurses here.
And, besides that, universities in Brasil graduates nurses as
tecnocratic as doctors. That's a hard scenario, but that's why we all
here... to change a bit and to give a better world to our kids...
:o)
Anyway, I am opened to that discussion, and
I want to learn ALL the alternatives to give dignity and power to women
giving birth.
Kisses !!!
Ric
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 05,
2002 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello
- Brasil here...
Dear ricardo
Welcome
Are you coming to the International
meeting of OBs in Sydney next month??
Denise hynd
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06,
2002 4:29 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello -
Brasil here...
Hello everybody:
My name is Ricardo Herbert
Jones
I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and
had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in
a Congress about Humanization of Childbirth in S�o Paulo,
Brasil.
As an obstetrician I would like to
share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world,
because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to
do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women
deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm
will takes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a
limited time in a woman�s womb. Were we rescued from there by
doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom�s tender
body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking
to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births
from 20 years) I learned that women shall be treated with
caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a
mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as
objects, and not as persons and subjects. That�s a terrible thing,
because it�s a human�s right problem.
I am one of the leaders of Rehuna
(Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now
is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the
government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public
hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called "Friends in
Light", to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de
Janeiro.
Ok, as u can see my english is not
quite well, and I love to talk too much...
Hope I can get good advices from you
all.
Ricardo Herbert Jones
Ob/Gyn and Homeopath
Porto Alegre - Brasil
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