----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:32
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas and
heroes
Hello tchurma...
I read Andrea�s article, and I
agree with almost everything she says.
Anyway, let�s understand the "doula
craze" in different situations and contexts.
In tecnocratic contexts it is
REALLY a blessing, because we still have so much work to be done in the
direction of humanization of chilbirth.
In Australia, Holland, New Zealand,
maybe they are not really necessary, or not too helpfull.
So.. we have different situations.
Different countries and realities.
Doulas CAN make a difference in
Brasil. But I dream of the day that they will be no longer
necessary.
Obstetricians attending normal
birth in my country (like me) IS the reality nowadays. The first thing to
do is humanize these doctor�s atittudes, step by step.
Doulas and the presence of the
family (or a chosen companion) in the obstetric room (believe me, it�s
not a right here yet !!) are some of the steps.
But I dream of the day that doctors
come to be heroes, just for the rare sittuation an intervention is absolutely
necessary.
Each thing at each
time...
Ric
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:36
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in
Brasil
Hi there
Here in South Africa we also see that midwifes dont have
time for this helping the mother.They are very few in veeeeeery busy ward
with a lot of clients birthing.In my area specific I know that doulas will
do such a lot but doulas are still very foreign.I recently attended a birth
in a ABU with a ob/gyn who is a midwifes dream because she have a midwifes
heart.I went in as a support person with the partner .I was a waterbirth and
after she settled I stand next to her and offered them a cup of tea I mean
the normal thing to do ...can still remember that cuppa after my own baby.I
went brought the tea stand next to her and see that the baby latched she did
it.Afterwards the midwife on duty who helped with the birth came to
say to me please not to do it because I set expectations that they cant
met...........To busy for a cup of tea?
Hettie Grove
RN.RM.RCN.BA.CUR.ICCE.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:50
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Doulas in
Brasil
Dear Denise:
Next month (october) I will be in Cleveland,
giving a lecture about Humanization on Childirth in Case Western
University, showing my own experience with birth. It will take
several years to transform birth in Brasil in a women centered
and cientifically based assistance, and I honestly think that doulas
is a valid way to do that.
I would love to know Sydney, and I am sure I
will do that someday, bur still have to get enough money to do
that.
Andrea... I will read the doula
articles you wrote, Andrea.
I know it's controversial, but I don't think
that allowing parents to enter the obstetric ward colides with the idea of
having a doula to give assistance to the laboring woman.
Nurses in my country don't have time to do
that. They are a few in the hospital, and are involved in burocratic
stuff. It's almost impossible to see a 1 to 1 care with nurses here. And,
besides that, universities in Brasil graduates nurses as tecnocratic as
doctors. That's a hard scenario, but that's why we all here... to change a
bit and to give a better world to our kids... :o)
Anyway, I am opened to that discussion, and I
want to learn ALL the alternatives to give dignity and power to women
giving birth.
Kisses !!!
Ric
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002
8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello -
Brasil here...
Dear ricardo
Welcome
Are you coming to the International meeting
of OBs in Sydney next month??
Denise hynd
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002
4:29 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello -
Brasil here...
Hello everybody:
My name is Ricardo Herbert
Jones
I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had
the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress
about Humanization of Childbirth in S�o Paulo, Brasil.
As an obstetrician I would like to share
experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I
think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every
single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet
- who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of
us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman�s womb.
Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we
cherished by mom�s tender body till we entered this world? These are
different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43
now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that
women shall be treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in
our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors
usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and
subjects. That�s a terrible thing, because it�s a human�s right
problem.
I am one of the leaders of Rehuna
(Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is
to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the
government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public
hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called "Friends in
Light", to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de
Janeiro.
Ok, as u can see my english is not quite
well, and I love to talk too much...
Hope I can get good advices from you
all.
Ricardo Herbert Jones
Ob/Gyn and Homeopath
Porto Alegre - Brasil
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