Isis...

Over the years attending women birth at home, I have never seen a third
or fourth degree tear...rarely there has been a sizable second degree,
sometimes a small tear, and mostly an intact perineum... 

Of my clientele, there have been several women with past very serious
damage... Third degree tears,5 previous episiotomies, a
'shattered'perineum...all these women birthed gently (and ne'er the
word'"push"to be heard) with beautiful unharmed bodies....

There are no guarantees...there is more �t risk'here than your pelvic
floor...there is more to you than your pelvic floor...what is important
to you? What really matters?

listen to your body and your heart...they will guide you where you need
to go...only you can know what is best for you.

I wish you well...

Vicki



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[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrea
Quanchi
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth


Isis,  The bit about tearing worse the next time is rubbish.  So 
continue to trust your instincts and birth your way with your chosen 
midwife next time and you'll be fine. I too had a bad tear the first 
time, was talked into an elective epis the second time and had a smaller

tear the third time.  Even the third degree tear healed better  and was 
less painful than the episiotomy.  I agree that the stranded beatle 
position wouldn't have helped and so that is the thing to avoid next 
time.
Andrea Q

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