Dear Andrea
I also think Antenatal educators and those who admit women to maternity care
in the clinics etc  need to include have an understanding of bullying and
means to deal with it as this is often what happens to the women so they
start on the treadmill or cascade of intervention out of fear for themselves
or the baby!.
For example each woman should be given a copy of the Health Care Complaints
Commission brochure which talks about informed consent and access to a
second opinion?
I saw your program and congratulate you and wish also that bullying was
acknowledged in the courses I have previously undertaken as both a student
and educator
Assertion is often not enough when bullying is not acknowledged but the
management and understood by the Target
Note no victim


Andrea would please also include some texts on bullying in your catalogue,
 I find most informative
"The bully at work; What you can do to stop the hurt & reclaim your dignity
on the job." G & R Naimie (2000) Naperville Il.
As well as the infomation supplied by Caroline H

There is a bullies down under web site also
Thank you
denise

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bullying - doing something about it


> Dear Denise and Marilyn,
>
> This issue is one I am very concerned about as well. I realise that it is
a
> complex issue that is hard to tackle as many strands are involved in its
> source as well as its resolution.
>
> In a workplace, however, the managers have responsibility to make sure
that
> bullying is not tolerated and individuals are supported and nurtured. The
> new midwifery we hope to see in place in Australia will be reliant on
> managers with foresight, ability and good team building skills. There will
> always be those who knock change and feel threatened by new (unfamiliar)
> ways of doing things - a good manager will need strategies to deal with
> these threats to progress.
>
> These are the kind of issues we will be tackling at the Managing Midwifery
> workshop at the end of April.  It will include a whole day of skills
> development in coaching psychology that will enable midwifery managers to
> feel more confident around team building and motivating staff. This is
> definitely one program that all midwifery managers should try to attend.
>
> http://www.birthinternational.com/event/managing2003/index.html
>
> Please, everyone, make sure you manager has this info.....
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
> At 02:54 AM 4/04/2003, Marilyn Kleidon wrote:
> >Dear Denise:
> >
> >Sadly I recognise the truth you have written. I wish I didn't. After
> >reading Carolyn Hastie's work earlier I wrote my senior paper at Seattle
> >Midwifery School on Horizontal Violence amongst midwives. As I found in
my
> >research this bullying exists throughout the health professions. Because
> >it can be subtle (as well as fierce) most often we grin and bear it.
Also,
> >I don't believe it just exists within the enclaves of beauracracy but is
> >alive and well through the ranks of independent practitioners as well.  I
> >have observed a closing off from those who don't practice as "we" do. The
> >bullying goes in both directions from those of us who are more
> >conservative in practice than alternative and vice versa.  It also
> >embraces the political aspects of midwifery practice.  And I am not
> >considering the healthy discussions of alternative ways to practice that
> >emerge from within healthy professions. This is definetly an area that
> >needs ongoing feminist action research to document it and find ways to
> >strengthen  midwives and the midwifery profession. First off I think we
> >need to acknowledge we belong to an increasingly bullying culture and
have
> >developed our own means of pushing and shoving just to keep our heads
> >above water.
> >
> >Treading water
> >
> >marilyn
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Denise Hynd
> >To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >;
>
><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Maternitycoalitonmidwi
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:12 AM
> >Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bullying
> >
> >Dear All
> >I feel sure one of the reasons many of us are on this list is to gather
> >strength and heal from the effect of bullying as well as to learn and be
> >encouraged in ideas toward humanisation of birth.
> >
> >I also think one of the main reasons Australia is not a land of midwifery
> >is due to bullying of midwives, women and their supporters. Stories of
> >incidents abound (especially on this list)  and it is evidenced in the
> >predominant negative outcomes  of our national pregnancy and early
> >parenting experiences.
> >For me bullying behaviours usually stop the transference of knowledge to
> >effect change including humanised birth and real midwifery services!
> >
> >It is not just that women are given inaccurate information about how to
> >birth, more importantly they are too intimidated to listen, hear about
and
> >believe or act in their own abilities and to trust (real) midwives to
> >assist them to birth in their own powers.
> >
> >Historically midwives have been subjugated into subordination to medicine
> >and nursing. Now several generations of Australian midwives have  lived
> >and learnt only this role as well as how in turn to keep themselves and
> >the women in powerless places and belief systems. Thus most of our
> >profession does not recognize that there is a problem in this
> >subordination, is not demanding positive changes (including NMAP), Sadly
> >now most Australian midwives actually believe we (the women and midwives)
> >are safest where we are, that birth is inherently dangerous and we best
> >leave it to the rescue brigade to make the decisions whilst we support
> >them not the women or ourselves!.
> >
> >If you recognise what I say is true or has some truth and want to
> >understand this common,unacknoledged behaviour pattern in our places of
> >birth, as well as act to change at least your contribution to this toxic
> >culture I recommend you read Carolyn Hastie's article
> >
>
><http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/hastie02.html>http://www.acegraphic
s.com.au/articles/hastie02.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Denise Hynd
> >
> >Peace at birth
> >Peace on earth.
>
>
> -----
> Andrea Robertson
> Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education
>
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>
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