Hi Liz,

I was responding to someone else's posts that they had
spoken to mid students who felt that they were not
being taught about intervention-free birth.  I was
saying that I have been taught & do feel confident (as
a beginning practitioner!) with intervention-free
birth after 3 years at uni & the requirement to be the
primary accoucher for 40 non-instrumental births. 
Since grad dip midwives have 12 months @ uni are are
required to primary accoucher 20 births, I wonder if
it is more difficult to feel confident w/
intervention-free birth w/ this training.

I'm not at all saying good or bad, them or us. Just
wondering out loud.  I definitely don't think that I'd
feel as confident after only 12 months, but maybe if I
had done general nursing first I would.

Hope that makes sense.

Jen
3rd year BMid, Melbourne

 --- Liz Newnham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Hi Jen,
> I was curious to ask what you meant by "I wonder if
> it is more difficult for them". Wonder if what is
> more difficult?
> Liz
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>   From: Jen Semple 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 11:00 AM
>   Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Students, training and
> other things was Re: uterine rupture 1998
> 
> 
>   As a current Bachelor of Midwifery (aka direct
> entry)student, I can tell you a little bit about my
> course.
> 
>   I think everybody here agrees that there is no
> such thing as the perfect woman, the perfect
> midwife, or the perfect midwifery course.  That
> said, I can promise you all that we have learnt
> about working in partnersip with women, what is
> normal birth, and how the role of the midwife
> changes from autonomous practitioner to "member of
> the team" once labour is augmented.
> 
>   One of the things that we struggle with most is
> the "theory-practice gap"... the evidence & what we
> are being taught at uni & then the lack of
> opportunity to practice in that way at present (ie
> we get taught about hands off or hands poised & most
> of us have yet to be supervised by a midwife with a
> birthing woman who doesn't firmly enourage us to
> keep a hand on the head &/or peri).  Also
> caseload... to meet the ACMI standard, we have all
> completed (or are about to complete) 30 follow
> throughs.  For many of us, that would be our
> preferred model of practice next year & at present,
> there is not one hospital in metropolitan Melbourne
> where we could pratice in that model.
> 
>   I'm not saying that all is perfect at my uni (&
> can't speak for all unis), but I am certain that my
> lecturers are knowledgable of what is normal &
> passionate how to keep things that way.
> 
>   The ACMI requirement is that we are the primary
> accouchuer (aka catching or delivering the baby) for
> 40 non-instrumental births.  This is a lot of
> births!  Many are struggling to attain this figure &
> many have done so in less than ideal circumstances. 
> It is argued that this number should be reduced or
> that students should be able to "count" births that
> became instrumental, but the student remained the
> woman's midwife.
> 
>   While the midwife's role in an instrumental birth,
> augmented labour, etc is just as important as in a
> "normal" labour or birth, it is very different.  
> The midwife is no longer the autunomous practitioner
> & the student is no longer gaining experience with
> "normalcy".
> 
>   Abby, I think the high standards that ACMI has set
> for us help ensure that we do know normal.  Granted,
> this is still the hospital setting, but until
> community midwifery is more widely available to
> women & midwives, the reality is that the majority
> of student midwives cannot gain experience in this
> setting.
> 
>   I cannot speak for the education of Graduate
> Diploma midwives (who are already nurses)... as
> their midwifery program is only 12 months (& their
> requirement is 20 births), I wonder if it is more
> difficult for them?
> 
>   Anyway, I hope my current perspective as a student
> is helpful.
> 
>   Jen
>   3rd year BMid, Melbourne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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