One of the most moving father involvements I have seen was many
years ago. Their first baby, she was sweaty and untidy and in
pain etc and he just kept whispering in her hear "You're
beautiful, I love you." Tear making stuff. They are still a
happy couple after another three children and 20 years. 
cheers
Judy
--- Miriam Hannay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm with you, Megan!
> 
> To give birth to a beloved child is the ultimate
> expression of the emotional and sexual love my husband
> and I share.
> 
> He described me during labour and birth as being
> 'awesome, powerful, sexy, strong, more beautiful than
> ever before'. He even commented that the involuntary
> noises I made during birth were similar to the noises
> I make during orgasm!
> 
> Obviously, such an experience relies on the nature of
> the birth itself, We had three babes at home and one
> in hospital, all beautiful physiological births with
> no intervention. 
> 
> With regard retaining your 'sexual mystery', I'm not
> quite sure what there is about sex and sexuality
> that's 'mysterious'. If a couple's sexual relationship
> is open, honest, loving and passionate, does there
> need to be any 'mystery'? To me this smacks a little
> of patriarchal notions of women's role as sexual
> object... Gee, I hope my husband doesn't find anything
> about me mysterious after fourteen years, otherwise
> how would he know what I need and desire?!
> 
> What would be fantastic for men would be for all
> practitioners to actively facilitate a role for them
> during the birth process that makes them feel involved
> and reflects the extraordinary beauty of the
> experience. If only... regards, Miriam.
> 
> --- Megan & Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Its interesting how the conversation focuses on the
> > womans vagina.
> > What about the rest of her body?
> > My husband loved the feeling of my muscles working
> > in my body, he says they
> > have been different for each birth. 
> > The last 3 were water births, so no vagina watching
> > by any one. 
> > Speaking on his behalf, I know that he was and is so
> > awe inspired by
> > watching me have our babies, it only added to his
> > desire and love. 
> > So I guess the total experience of how women birth
> > is what we are looking
> > at. No surprises there!
> > The book, I think titled, Father Time, which is a
> > collection of interviews
> > of Australain men, discusses this and the men who
> > experienced homebirths
> > very clearly did not experience the trauma. 
> > 
> > I'm not sure about this "sexual mystery" thing
> > though. As a woman I take
> > great pride in having a uterus, vagina and breasts
> > that have created and
> > given life 4 times, its not all about "toys for
> > boys".
> > (Although having 4 sons kind of retracts that
> > statement)
> > 
> > My thoughts anyway
> > Megan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Andrea Robertson
> > Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 10:26 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [ozmidwifery] Men at births
> > 
> > This is an interesting report in today's Sydney
> > Morning Herald. I remember
> > Michel Odent talking about research done in the US
> > that explored the effect
> > on a couple's sexual relationship when the man had
> > been exposed to the birth
> > process. Michel was advocating that women might want
> > to retain some of their
> > "sexual mystery" by excluding men from the birth
> > room. I have been at births
> > where I wondered how the father was taking the sight
> > of a practitioner
> > cutting an episiotomy.....
> > 
> > What does everyone think about this?
> > 
> >
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/08/30/1125302566185.html
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Andrea
> > 
> > -----
> > Andrea Robertson
> > Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in
> > Childbirth Education
> > 
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > web: www.birthinternational.com
> > 
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