One aspect of "choice" that needs to be considered is that even when all the pros and cons are weighted carefully and a very "informed" choice is made, there is no guarantee that the option chosen will prove to be the best in the final analysis. Mistakes can still be made and decisions thought to be the best can turn out to be the worst. This may result in an unexpected outcomes, but is part of life and often leads to rapid and useful learning.

However, often when a poor choice leads to a bad outcome, the blame starts flying and scapegoats are sought (part of the grieving process). It can often be the mother who is blamed (for example in a home birth) or the doctor, if the birth takes place in hospital.

For example, if a woman decided, after being told all the advantages and disadvantages of an induction and is counselled on likely outcomes, then still choose this option then I belive she must be supported in her decision. It still may turn out OK (Sally Tracy's work showed that if a perfectly healthy mother chooses an induction for no medical reason she has a 40% chance of coming through without further intervention). If things do turn out unexpectedly and complications arise, then this women needs support postnatally so that she learns from the event. However, she may be blamed or left feeling guilty or depressed without supportive counselling with no opportunity to learn how her decision, even though taken carefully, was in the event not the best one she could have made.

I am all for choice and better options being made available. I also believe that women will try and make the best decisions they can given a chance, and even though they may decide to do things differently than we would, they have a right to make those choices. Circumstances change too, and these may affect the decision making process - labour can be much harder than anticipated and help may be sought. This is where the options are really needed so that an epidural is not the only option available, but baths, showers etc etc are also at hand (and a lot of this will come down to midwifery attitudes and skills).

This is a tricky area - "informed choice" is really a myth, as so many vested interests come into play, but we must support women once they have made a considered decision. To do less would be to undermine her further and to miss the opportunity for learning, even of some of those lessons are unpalatable at the time.

Not really expressing this well this morning.....

Regards

Andrea




At 03:29 PM 17/06/2006, you wrote:
Dear Sue and all

What an amazing thread!!

Choice is the key. The choices that are respected and funded are those that prop up the medical monopoly of the big business of birth.

So all you wonderful midwives out there, start/keep saying it. There are no rules or protocols for women, there is evidence and advice and a duty of care for midwives but at the end of the day a woman must be making the decision. It is not until we have a full complement of choice from homebirth to elec c/s can we say that women are really making a choice. Now it is choice within a vacuum of medical dominance.

I heard an interesting thing re ADHD on the radio the other day. The researcher said "if we only ask Drs we will only ever get a medical response". Nothing new but nicely put. By continuing to defer to medicos when the majority of us have no medical condition we will never make lasting change.

I believe some midwifery stars were recently at a conference espousing the benefits of managed 3rd stage and justified by saying physiological could only ever be considered when things were totally natural so there was no real point etc. Whilst I understand the pragmatics of that comment and the reality of the current system. I find this a real sell-out and on par with the CTG argument and many others.

Just because something is the majority does not mean it is right. Sometimes all the fools are simply on the same side, rich and very powerful ones I know.

Recently I was told midwives greeted my news of twins at home with reasonable upset saying it was one thing to do it but I should have done it quietly!! Oh dear. It would have been so much nicer to have prem babies with respiratory distress (saved by Obstetrics) or a "vaginal birth" in lithotomy with a forceps for twin 2.

Lets get real.  Innocent until proven guilty and  Healthy until proven sick!!

They key to change is in the unity. If enough midwives and women said No more it would change very quickly.

When we disagree and are challenged let's ask ourselves where the woman's rights are in our anger, upset et etc and let's continue to shout it loudly to Obs 'cause they have no argument.


JC




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