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Iam a bachelor of midwifery graduate who
has also done the rn degree as a top up as I also want to do other things but
my focus is mainly midwifery and loving it. As far as I can see experience is
what we gain when we work in our chosen field. knowledge we may learn but the
real learning takes place in the field from the women in our care and our
peers. Iam lucky to be employed in a hospital that takes great pride in
assisting new graduates and supporting each other wether it be that you are out
for a short time or for years. The respect for each other and our individual
skills and life experiences is good to be a part of., Regards sharon From:
owner- Good point, I guess the
problem is there is only one route to nursing but two to Mid at the moment.
When we had a mix of hospital trained and Uni trained nurses the issues were
the same. It took a long t6ime to accept Uni trained nurses which is ofcourse the
norm now. Mid will be the same, eventually ;) On 10/5/06, Christine
Holliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: I understand why people refer to the Bachelor of
Midwifery as a direct entry course but I wish we could learn to stop doing
this. If we continue it still means we are measuring midwifery against
nursing or still referring to nursing, we never see Registered Nurses referred
to as direct entry nurses. If you are having difficulty explaining direct
entry midwifery to managers etc if you refer to RN's as direct entry nurses
they do seem to get a better grasp on this. I don't intend this to sound critical just to try
and cause change. Christine -----Original
Message----- I would like to reply to this
one as a just about to finish Mid student with 6 years as an RN. There are two
ways to become a midwife in Au, a one year (18 months) upgrade or a 3 year
direct entry course. The upgrade course for RN's relies on the fact that you
have some nursing experience WHY? From where I am now, I absolutely agree that an
RN cannot do the full job of a
midwife without formalised midwifery training. Before I began my course, I too
thought that midwifery was really just another nursing specialisation like an
ICU nurse or a Psyc Nurse. There are a lot of skills
and practices that are common to both professions especially as most of us work
in a hospital setting. Midwifery requires advanced people skills, time
management skills and assessment skills as well as learning to work within the
hospital system and learning to work with other health care professionals in an
often autonomous role. Even after 3 years of training RN's need a new grad year
to develop the basics of these skills and probably a further 2 or 3 years to
become proficient. Obviously maturity, background and life experience all play
a part in this transition. I have met a couple of
new grad RN's who have gone straight into 1 year mid training and they appear
to find it difficult as the upgrade program appears to expect a level of
knowledge/experience not yet developed in a new grad RN. Not to say that
experienced RN's find it a breeze, its not. It's hard work and can be bloody
stressful ;) Obviously this is a generalisation and once again the maturity,
background and life experience of the individual will apply. In NZ RN's were able to
upgrade in a similar way. However those RN's felt that they were not receiving
as adequate training as the direct entry Midwives. So now RN's complete the
same course as the direct entry mids with a credit for a portion of the course
based on their qualification/experiance. So that is why I feel as
an RN almost midwife that RN's should have at least one year post grad
experience prior to training. The better way would be to do the 3 year direct
entry course if you want to be a midwife and not an RN as well. Some more thoughts on the
original post. It feels like the
proposal to train RN's to work in mid is not based on a concern for the
patients or the RN's but a way of staffing the ward cheaply. They could
offcourse pay for these RN's to do the Mid training which is available, as it
is appropriate for mid students who happen to be RN's to work on the ward under
midwife supervision. Assuming the RN's are willing to complete the appropriate
assignment work etc. If they aren't they are they really the right ppl to be
working on maternity in the first place. Most RN's would agree that it
would be inappropriate to replace RN's with AIN's and train them to look after
patients, take obs, change dressings, mobilise patents etc. Then have an RN be
held responsible should the AIN make a mistake or fail to recognise a patient
who had deteriorated or needed reviewing. That is the legal situation in Remember an American obstetrics
nurse is just that, not a midwife (yes Rgds Mike On 10/2/06, Rene and Tiffany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: It has been fantastic reading all the responses to the
nurse/midwife question. As a nurse about to begin midwifery training, I
look forward to learning and developing the specialist skills you wonderful
women have described! My original response stemmed from the fact that I became
a nurse ONLY to become a midwife (as there was no other way at the time), but
found that, I was unable to get any exposure to such, as training nurses and
RN's are generally unwelcome in maternity. I would have given anything to
have the opportunity to work and 'help out' in maternity whilst waiting to
secure a student midwife place. Instead I went straight into Mental
Health after I qualified as an RN, whilst waiting for one of the 6 midwifery
training positions that are offered. Perhaps this does raise the issue
about providing more training places for student midwives, and why is it that
we have to work as NURSES for a minimum 12 months before we can train as
midwives, when as many have pointed out – 'where is the nursing care in
midwifery?' Thanks J From: owner- [email protected] [mailto:owner- [email protected]]
On Behalf Of brendamanning Going back to
the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse working in Midwifery
is how NZ worked in the 70's & 80's. It was unsatisfactory then &
would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obs in our
general training we weren't midwives & it showed. I worked
in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught
pre-natal classes & spent 3 years in charge of SCN as a RGON
in the early 80's & when I went to train as a midwife just like Di
M I too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde
step & undermines all the recognition of your specialised
profession you Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just
another path on: "follow the American leader". With kind regards -----
Original Message ----- From: D. Morgan Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: I agree
Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years
ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning
Midwifery. As an RN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true
Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff. Cheers Di M
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