I just asked vasilis, also already spreading the news via fb and twitter,
Michel On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:47 PM, jules peck <[email protected] > wrote: > It would be great if someone close to this were to blog about this so we > can spread the word. > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:09 PM, George Papanikolaou < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Eleftherios thank you for the translation. >> Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2 (not >> to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an important >> statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to the commons >> ideas. >> >> Best regards >> George >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry for my previous half finished message. >>> >>> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to translate >>> some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and linguistic >>> differences of the Greek language with English I might not be able to >>> convey it properly (I am not a trained translator) >>> >>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" >>>> >>> >>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a commons >>> based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter of the >>> commons personally and in public is the following. >>> >>> I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with a >>>> general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events happening that >>>> only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and now a historic era, >>>> characterized not only by the crisis and the collapse of obsolete models, >>>> but we live a crisis that eventually spawned new models and new social >>>> organization models, as was done in the past. In this sense, then, this is >>>> an opportunity to take up the deficits of the past, to close this >>>> modernization deficit, but by addressing the contemporary social problem of >>>> unemployment, social security and social exclusion. This could establish a >>>> new paradigm in Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining >>>> advanced forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a >>>> strong foundation of *common goods*, a society-centric model, which >>>> would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people, optimism >>>> in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the Guenna-pig of austerity >>>> and destruction could be the a ground of pioneering ideas and policies, and >>>> the benefit would not be just for us. The world would become a security >>>> goal in a region of insecurity and "aged" Europe could re-discover through >>>> the symbiosis of different development models inside. Let's not rush some >>>> say that these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. >>>> Are those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by >>>> the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in Greece and >>>> worldwide. Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>> Greek speakers could find the original here. >>> >>> http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041 >>> >>> I hope this could help a bit on the conversation. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to translate >>>> some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and linguistic >>>> differences of the Greek language with English I might not be able to >>>> convey it properly (I am not a trained translator) >>>> >>>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" >>>> >>>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a >>>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter of >>>> the commons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> understood Vasilis, >>>>> >>>>> but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management, >>>>> and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when conditions >>>>> are right .. >>>>> >>>>> so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on >>>>> the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer term >>>>> change, >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Michel, >>>>>> >>>>>> The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find >>>>>> anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference. >>>>>> However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was what >>>>>> the >>>>>> vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George Papanikolaou's >>>>>> reaction in relation to my message, in which he highlights that >>>>>> Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south can open the way to >>>>>> new productive relations". In addition to this, George emphasizes that >>>>>> "the >>>>>> priority now is to stabilize the situation and give us time for >>>>>> experimentation". >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's see... >>>>>> >>>>>> v. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is very important news: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ? >>>>>>> especially in english ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> see: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his >>>>>>> speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new bottom-up, >>>>>>> Commons-based productive models which will have a global orientation and >>>>>>> will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable development." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Vasilis Kostakis >>>>>> >>>>>> Senior Research Fellow >>>>>> Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance >>>>>> >>>>>> Research Director >>>>>> P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://elkosmas.gr >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://elkosmas.gr >>> >> >> > > > -- > All the best > Jules > Convenor, Real Economy Lab > <http://flourishingenterprise.org/real-economy-lab> > > e: [email protected] > m: 07920844802 > w: www.flourishingenterprise.org and www.julespeck.co.uk > t: @citizenjules > 'Aspire not to have more but to be more' Archbishop Oscar Romero > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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