I'm eager to see Tom's reaction, on how his theoretical analysis and wishes, are confronted with the reality of labor commons actually emerging,
but I don't share Tibi's analysis that this is un-problematic, in fact, what Tibi and Sensororica are doing, how well would be the question, is to create membranes that 'discipline' extractive capital to the needs of the commoners; if that is NOT done well, it can also be an extractive mechanism that allows corporations to profit from the largely free labour donated to these platforms that is as much a struggle as the struggle between labor and capital in commodity labor, Michel On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < [email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Tom for sharing this article. I am going to read it with great > interest. I copied Alexandre from Ouishare MTL, who has a passion for the > future of labor. > > Here's my first gut reaction to this. > > The underlying assumption is the struggle between labor and capital. But > if our economic system is reconfiguring this relationship is no longer the > same. > Peer production networks like www.sensorica.co can be seen as new ways of > organizing labor, co-managing resources, redistribution of benefits, ... > All the means of production belong to individuals, are co-owned or are > under nondominium or commons property regimes, and they are shared > according to some rules. I don't like to think of the network as an > accumulation of labor, labor potential that serves capital, unless you are > thinking about centralized crowdsourcing platforms that play the role of > intermediary between the crowd and corporations. In the case of SENSORICA I > see it as an aggregation of labor, skills, resources, for projects that are > driven by the crowd, for the crowd. > > If you bet on platform capitalism and you think that these centralized > crowdsourcing platforms will rule the world, the uberization of work, then > labor, as subjected to corporations for production, distribution and > rewards, then you might want to think of protective measures for labor, you > may want to make it possible for labor to achieve a new equilibrium of > forces. > > If you bet on peer production a la SENSORICA all this opposition > disappears. > > There is a Facebook thread where I mention our observations of capital > being more and more subjected to peer production rules, from our experience > with servicing corporations. > > Some links > > Interfaces between open p2p networks and classical institutions > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ABmC6YJsszlIPoL-YXU3GF-PLHY0tmQdocBExswh7Lw/edit> > On redistribution of resources > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F19rvACy80_0k3p32dI2NReuVkmozRvDJceaQCuf8y0/edit> > > > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> thanks Tom, >> >> Michel >> >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, Michel. Briefly, a few years ago I wrote a piece called "Time on >>> the Ledger" that sketches the rudiments of a social accounting framework >>> that could be used by a labour commons unionism. It's posted on Scribd: >>> https://www.scribd.com/doc/44657733/Time-on-the-Ledger-Social-Accounting-for-the-Good-Society >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Could you be very specific about this Tom, >>>> >>>> I work with post-corporate entrepreneurial coalitions and labour >>>> mutuals , and it would be of interest to me if you could explain the >>>> practicalities of how this would work ? >>>> >>>> have you looked into contributive accounting systems like Sensorica's >>>> >>>> how does that relate to your ideas, >>>> >>>> for example: >>>> http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Interfacing_Open_Peer_Production_Organizations_with_Classical_Institutions >>>> >>>> -- >>>> CheckFrom: Tom Walker <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [NetworkedLabour] Fwd: [Debate-List] (Fwd) >>>> Radical leisure, less work, more commoning (Eva Swidler) >>>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> < >>>> canz+bqxmmvc9seh1rf52ghqijirv_6rcouzya_kyjgm+rpd...@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> I hope this article sparks the conversation that needs to take place. It >>>> certainly raises the issues that need to be addressed. >>>> >>>> In my view, the next step in thinking about labour, leisure and the >>>> commons >>>> is to conceptualize labour power as a common pool resource. Unions have >>>> traditionally bargained for collective terms for individualized work >>>> contracts, which reinforces the selling time for money paradigm. "A fair >>>> day's work for a fair day's wage." Treating labour power as a common >>>> pool >>>> resource, however, would require the development of an entirely >>>> different, >>>> social accounting framework in which collective interests of security >>>> and >>>> community -- commonalty, to use the Luddites' term -- are prioritized. >>>> I've >>>> written a few things on labour power as a common pool resource and Paul >>>> Burkett discussed the concept in Marx and Nature. >>>> >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tom Walker (Sandwichman) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value network > (or open enterprise) > co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy > founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: > informing the new multitude > > Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> > Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu > <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> > Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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