I don't think there are pollyfills for css variables the way we are using them or grids. But we can look into that.
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Stan Silvert <ssilv...@redhat.com> wrote: > On 5/22/2018 4:23 PM, Andres Galante wrote: > > Leslie has been meeting with different team to take this decisions based > on their requirements and roadmaps. She is on vacation this week so we can > probably continue this discussing next week. > > Here is my reasoning: > > IE11 is a burden, not only because we can't use css variables and grid > among other modern CSS features but also because it increases the time of > development to write fallbacks and testing and it makes the codebase harder > to maintain. > > Patternfly next beta will out during the next 6 month-ish and a stable > version probably by the end of the year or beginning of the next. By the > time we have a stable version and projects start adopting it, it's a safe > assumption that IE11 will be irrelevant. > > Does it make sense? > > I think your reasoning makes perfect sense. > > On the other hand, we can't just ignore 2% to 7% of our user base. Even > if IE11 is down to 1% of the market, we will still need a solution. If 1 > out of 100 users can't use your web site then you are in trouble. > > If there is an effective pollyfill available then I think that would be > good enough for us. > > > > > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 5:01 PM, Stan Silvert <ssilv...@redhat.com> wrote: > >> Maybe we can load a polyfill when we detect IE11? >> >> Would this work for all the new features you plan to use Andres? >> >> >> On 5/22/2018 3:31 PM, Stian Thorgersen wrote: >> >> On keycloak.org we have ~5% on IE11 this year. Of IE users 95% of our >> users are on IE11. >> >> Looking at https://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php there's 2.81% for >> IE11. On http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide >> it says 7.17%, which I assume is mostly IE11. They don't give details on >> individual versions as far as I can see. >> >> From my understanding there's still a lot of folks on Windows XP in the >> world and a good proportion has not updated to Edge. I remember how long it >> took to get rid of IE6. >> >> For RH-SSO and Keycloak we have login pages as well as the account >> management console that both should be available to most users. Available >> is subjective of course, but if there's CSS variables used which is not >> supported at all on IE11 I would assume it would look very bad on IE11? >> >> On 22 May 2018 at 21:05, Andres Galante <agala...@redhat.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Stian, >>> >>> How much of that IE traffic is IE11? >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Stian Thorgersen <sthor...@redhat.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> According to http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/wo >>>> rldwide >>>> >>>> IE11 is still more popular than Edge. >>>> >>>> I get the same numbers from keycloak.org. >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2018 at 20:07, Stian Thorgersen <sthor...@redhat.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is the world really ready to move on from IE11? For admin facing apps >>>>> I don't see it as a problem, but what about end-user facing apps? >>>>> >>>>> On 18 May 2018 at 10:53, Guillaume Vincent <gvinc...@redhat.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> this is a good news, thank you patternfly ! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Andres Galante <agala...@redhat.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Stan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes! it means we'll go back to use CSS variables following the same 2 >>>>>>> tier variable system >>>>>>> <https://css-tricks.com/theming-with-variables-globals-and-locals/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We'll also be able to use CSS grids to build layouts :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:14 AM, Stan Silvert <ssilv...@redhat.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm quite happy to ditch IE11. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does that mean PatternFly Next will use CSS variables instead of >>>>>>>> preprocessor variables? Eliminating the preprocessor will make me >>>>>>>> double >>>>>>>> happy! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For our app we want to allow an administrator to do simple theme >>>>>>>> changes from the admin console. This gets really easy to implement if >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> app doesn't need preprocessing. If we have to use a preprocessor then >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> becomes extremely complicated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/16/2018 4:55 PM, Leslie Hinson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Fliers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the last PatternFly Next update, the topic of IE11 browser >>>>>>>> support came up. Specifically, the question on whether or not we >>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>> support it moving forward. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a result, we wanted to follow up to ensure we understood >>>>>>>> PatternFly users' browser support roadmap. From what we've been able to >>>>>>>> gather, we learned that the majority of PatternFly users that are >>>>>>>> interested in migrating to PatternFly-Next are comfortable proceeding >>>>>>>> without IE11 support moving forward. We will continue to have PF3 for >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> users that still require that level of support, however we don't >>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>> that IE11 support is worth the cost for this next major version. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone that raised this concern as well as those that >>>>>>>> provided input to help us make this decision. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Leslie Hinson >>>>>>>> PatternFly Lead, UXD >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> PatternFly mailing >>>>>>>> listPatternFly@redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> PatternFly mailing list >>>>>>>> PatternFly@redhat.com >>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> PatternFly mailing list >>>>>>> PatternFly@redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/patternfly >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Guillaume Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>> Senior FrontEnd Engineer >>>>>> >>>>>> gvinc...@redhat.com >>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig> >>>>>> TRIED. 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