A few comments on the channel reporting part of the charter...

Consensus in the group (PAWS) that there is need for TVWS channel usage 
pattern.  Most of us agree.  There has been a lot of discussions on channel 
reporting from the device to the database on what channels the device will use 
or anticipate to use (or something along this line).

However, for the suggested purpose of channel reporting it seems to make sense  
that the TVWS device report back to the database the channels it had used since 
the last query.  This requirement is simple, AND it is more accurate in 
accomplishing the goals for channel reporting than reporting "anticipated" 
channel use.  We think this is the right approach.

Thoughts?

Best,
Amer and Paul



From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:53 AM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [paws] Charter update progress

Gerald,

Peter indicated in his email that regulators (ie Ofcom) may not have a problem 
with anticipated usage.
I agree that the interference calculations need the data about the actual 
usage, but this does not seem to be a requirement of any regulator for the time 
being.


-          Gabor

From: ext Gerald Chouinard [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:18 AM
To: 'Peter Stanforth'; Bajko Gabor (Nokia-CIC/SiliconValley)
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Subject: RE: [paws] Charter update progress

Pete, Gabor,

You may want to look at this from the regulators' point of view.  For them, the 
only thing that counts is that the spectrum is used or not. "Anticipated", 
"intended" or "expected" usage is not something that they are use to deal with. 
It is being used or not so that the interference calculations can be done 
properly. The "real-time" aspect is another matter that has to do with the time 
granularity of the spectrum usage but at any moment, the spectrum is used or 
not. The intention or expectation of using the spectrum is an aspect that is 
orthogonal to whether the spectrum is actually used or not.

My two cents ...

Gerald

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[mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf 
Of Peter Stanforth
Sent: Monday, 07 May, 2012 18:28
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [paws] Charter update progress

I am sorry if my last message  created/added to the confusion. I was not 
opposed to the wording we had, that Pete quoted.   I know that I was one of 
several people that asked Ofcom directly what they were looking for, I did not 
get any indication that our proposed language using "anticipated", "intended" 
or "expected" was a problem.
Peter S.

From: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
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To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [paws] Charter update progress

Peter,

The question is what features do we want the protocol to have. If we want to 
report 'intended spectrum usage', that can possibly be done within the same 
transaction as the query/response for channel availability. If instead we want 
to report the 'actual spectrum usage', that means that the protocol will need 
to have the capability to allow the clients autonomously contacting the DB and 
reporting any change in spectrum usage at any time during their operation. The 
IESG may want to know which features do we want to design.
Some folks suggested anticipated/intended usage, to hint that we do not need 
the protocol to send reports dynamically. Since you oppose that wording, I 
guess you want 'actual usage' then, as that is the only alternative I could 
see. Can you confirm if that's what you want. We can ask if people on the list 
agree with this. If yes, then bingo.
If not, then we won't have a charter update until we agree on this text, and 
consequently we can't include the Ofcom reporting requirements to the Use Cases 
and Requirements draft.


-          Gabor



From: ext Peter Stanforth [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 2:15 PM
To: Pete Resnick; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Cc: Bajko Gabor (Nokia-CIC/SiliconValley); [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [paws] Charter update progress

Pete,
I share your sentiments. A feedback loop is very desirable but I don't think 
that the implication  is well understood. So the charter should avoid defining 
what or how it would be provided until we have had chance to get some input and 
contributions on the issue.
Peter S.

From: Pete Resnick <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: Peter Stanforth 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, 
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Subject: Re: [paws] Charter update progress

Andy,

As I have explained, just saying "report spectrum usage" sounds like it may 
involve a dynamically updating process such that any change in spectrum usage, 
even if it is post-query, needs to be reported to the database. That is a 
*much* larger change than was proposed, which is why we had it as "anticipated 
spectrum usage". I also thought that "intended spectrum usage" was a reasonable 
compromise. But simply "spectrum usage" is problematic, and there are several 
folks who do not agree with this change as I have read the list. If you wish to 
suggest another phrase, that's fine. But I can't go to the IESG with your text.

pr

On 5/3/12 7:30 AM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Gabor may have a combined view of the proposals - I still support my initial 
proposal of April 15th, which was to change the new bullet point 5 from "Report 
to the white space database anticipated spectrum usage at a suitable 
granularity" to "Report spectrum usage to the white space database at a 
suitable granularity".

Regards

Andy


From: Peter Stanforth [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 03 May 2012 13:24
To: Sago,AJ,Andy,COD R; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [paws] Charter update progress

What is the proposal?

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<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, 
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Subject: [paws] Charter update progress

Gabor

There has been no reflector discussion since 24th April UK time. Can we now 
submit the charter proposal to the IESG, or has that already happened?

Thanks

Andy




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