Going on the way you do, wont solve a thing, come and lets debate issues within the party. Stop insulting the incumbent President no court of law put him in power its you.PAYCO under Xaba is to be blamed. But now that is in the past. I have a proposal why don't you stop what you do and do what I say and lets see if the party wont be in good shape in only three months.
Right now you block some members to participate in the google groups and I am afraid iam going to be blocked soon, Isn't that a form of disunity? Kwane we act like we hate each other but we know very well that we support and need each other. IOTA, what is said in that document needs to be realized in full, by who? By all of us, let PACYL replace PAYCO after all is just a name change not leadership change but you have made it to reach a leadership change point. What is the truth, Kwame? There is no truth in all this things Kevin use to be next to the President and the relationship collapsed who's fault is that the President's or Kevin's or the process? Nobody knows. Parallel structures are bad I do not like them, but PAC in khutsong under Ncebi and Bafana was losing touch with the people. I wrote letters suspending them so that we can fix thing and then reinstate them later after I have built a strong party ANC continued to outsmart us and the two were close to the enemy more that they were with any one in the party they are even member Samu and Num respectively they were not fishes in the water they were fishes in the bread and you know what happens you eat fish with bread, they were not studying the needs of the people, those two are objects that cant move maybe when they are reporting to you they turn to be active, to me they were dead and flatfooted they were not even prepared to stop me coz they were involved in PAYCO politics more than party politics. Now SG tell me between the party and component structure which comes first? They are still PAYCO members aren't they? So to all the africanist who are reading this mail, I ask where do we all want to see PAC in the next Elections or five years? I want to produce five councilor in Khutsong not PACYL and Not for PAYCO but PAC.Youth wings are vanguards you all know that but they should not grow bigger that the party and PAYCO has grown bigger than PAC you now have google groups facility this is wounderful but the party does not have one.Love the party to protect it not plot. Matome must be our next President.What do you say? Kwame.Kevin was groomed by Matome even Xaba. Lastly Sbu Xaba thanks for attending the funeral I was going to be disappointed had you not come, pass my regards to you brother and thanks for allowing this emailaddress into google groups, Not you kwame I thank big men big guys.(just joking) Lets love ourself and then we can love and protect our party\ the big church. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 07 September 2009 12:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PAYCO] Re: Congress Invitation Greetings, Comrades don't debate when your eyes and ears are allergic to the truth. You cannot begin to accuse us of not being loyal to PAC or of dividing PAC. PAYCO has not created any parallel structure in the party,Payco is not behind divisions taking place in the party,PAYCO is not suspending party members,PAYCO is not sowing seeds of factionalism and disunity in the party. The only group responsible is the gang of anarchist led by Mphahlele and the truth. For your information son of the soil,PAC currently has no leadership in terms of CAPE High Court Ruling. If you are loyal to Mphahlele,thats your problem. It is in the history and culture of the PAC that we don't heroworship leaders,but we serve our masses and our revolutionary party. How do you focus on external issues when the PAC itself is in crisis? The party can only be able to respond to broader issues affecting the masses of our people only when it has cleansed itself,rebuilt itself and repositioned itself. If the centre cannot hold,things fall apart. I really don't like your seletive amnesia,you are unable to tell Mphahlele your story about unity and the plight of our people when he insult our veterans and founding members as non-members. You don't attack Mphahlele when he dissolve structures and create parallel structures,which promote factionalism and disunity. You are quick to attack PAYCO for standing up in defense of PAC constitution,History and tradition. You should be ashamed for comparing Sobukwe,Mothopeng,Sibeko,Leballo and others to Mphahlele. Mphahlele does not deserve the title PAC President. PAYCO would make a formal demand in the next party Congress that Mphahlele's name be removed from the Roll of PAC leaders. The only person who must leave is Mphahlele. Yours for a classless society. Kwame Ndebele PAYCO SECRETARY GENERAL > Izwe Lethu! > > Majoni it is very said that we have lost the focus of our revolution > to an extent that we have created enemies in us. I just need to give a > simple example that is evident to everyone. No matter how much ANC is > divided they always know that the interest of the organisation comes > first in terms of aquiring as many South Africans votes as they > can.This votes gives ANC power to continue governing this country. > This is done in the interest of the organisation despide the differences they > have. > Unfortunately with us is that whenever somebody is angry with certain > developments in the PAC he/she always resort to destroying this movement. > We are spending all our effort in trying to destroy each other while > Empirealism is working itself to dry what is left of Afrika's resources. > We know that some of us are under pay roll of ANC to destroy PAC which > stand to be the alternative to the ANC capitalist governance. I pay my > alligiance to the PAC which was formed by SOBUKWE who was succeeded > by MOTHOPENG not forgeting (LEBALLO and SIBEKO), MAKWETU, MOGOBA, > PHEKO and which is now being led by LETLAPA. I respect the leadearship > of the PAC and will always SERVE, SUFFER and SACRIFICE for PAC. Lastly > comrades I say ON MY LIFE,HOURNER and FORTUNES I SOLOMELY PLEDGE and > SWEAR that I SHALL ALWAYS LIVE UP TO THE ASPIRATION OF THE PAC. > > Those who want to live this great organisation of Sobukwe should do so > without intefering with this movement for we do not intertain those > who have already left. > > To those who can hear this WE HAVE THE WHOLE CONTINENT AND HISTORY ON > OUR SIDE WE WILL WIN!!! > > > ________________________________ > From: Hulisani Mmbara <[email protected]> > To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:15:38 PM > Subject: FW: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation > > > > ________________________________ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:37:49 +0200 > Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation > > > Dear Andiswa, > > Hope this mail finds you well. > > Through you , I need to address the Parco boys directly and with all > due respect request that you block their communication to the PAC, > which they do not respect. > > Kevin and Linda I said it before and I will say it again, My president > is not your President so I do not expect you to send any letters to > his office, in case you are not aware we have only 1 seat in > parliament thanks to you and your weak organization cos had it not > been for PAYCO we would have obtain more seat than one. So stop > sending him your rubbish. If your organization is going to a congress > then tell that to people who care,but, hey I know why you send it to > us, you are prodigal sons who want to come back home and the only way > to come home is by you dropping your acts and joining the PACYL as members. > > You guys are agents of our struggle's enemy and it pains me to see > such active young men like yourselves confused in a way you are, you > say one thing and do another. As the national spokesperson for PACYL > until the congress why don't you engage me and other coordinator like > Pitso and Derrick. > > And as for the issue of assault I suggest that you be very civil about > your approach to politics, cos clearly you think we are scared and > afraid of you but we are not. Linda I need you to disciple Thapelo in > Pretoria tell him PAC is not a Boxing ring if he wants to talk he must > use the facility we called mouth and not fist. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Andiswa Mjali [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 18 August 2009 03:04 PM > To: Tumelo Segakweng; [email protected] > Subject: FW: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation > > > FYI > > > ________________________________ > From: Andiswa Mjali [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 18 August 2009 01:43 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Fw: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation > > > FYI > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 10:22:23 > Subject: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation > > Revolutionary Greetings!!! > > Kindly receive the signed Congress Invitation. 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