Mohlomphegi,
You are echoing the same flimflam that was on the “president’s” communiqué concerning the court order. You come here and tell us that no court can build our movement, yet you recognize the Bloemfontein High Court verdict without understanding the underlying dynamics thereof. You will not succeed in your endeavor to sow confusion and to mislead. Regarding the Bloemfontein Judgment, It was the PAC that was an applicant against the now PAM leaders in their attempt to convene a Conference. The context of that judgment was in the attempt to stop them from calling a Conference. The Dr. Pheko case challenged the legality of the Fort Hare Congress and succeeded and even on appeal. Therefore, The Bloemfontein Judgement means nothing in this case. You say “under this leadership we are able to correct our shortcomings in the PAC”. I am certain you’re not completely teetotal, or perhaps you choose to ignore the facts – for obvious reasons, of course. I shall ignore your threats about our “disciplinary code of conduct” – it’s an old and weak weapon by your ilk to stifle debate. Izwe Lethu! Yandisa On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele < [email protected]> wrote: > Land First All Shall Follow!!! > > Majoni I dont think any court in the world will ever built PAC, I therefore > think non will ever destroy PAC. Therefore comrades we remain drivers of our > own destiny as the PAC. Before Alice congress there was PAC and that PAC was > ruled under the decree which was in line with the constitution. What happens > now is that we have the Bloumfontein High Court which recognised the Alice > congress. Now we have the Cape High Court which seeks to nulify the Alice > congress. Where do we feuture as the PAC members. Are we to rely on court > decitions for the PAC. I think comrade to be fair it is under the current > leadership that we can correct our situation. It is this current leadership > (after all considerations) that is able to call us on a special congress to > fix our problems. It is a sorry situation now that some of us who still > claim to be PAC do not recognise this ability we have to built this > organisation. If we do not recognise the current PAC leadership then which > one do we have that can facilitate the ability to built PAC. Can we expect > the court to call the congress for PAC? Comrades you are right saying that > we did not join individuals when joining this movement. Also Prof Sobukwe > tought us not to Hero worship any person for we cannot gaurantee an > individual. Stop swearing at the current leadership. I agree with one > comrade that the language we are using, swearing on the current leadership > is a taboo to PAC. Now what agenda are we serving by continuasly using a > taboo language when addressing other comrades. Again comrade if we do not > recognise the current leadership why are we having so much interest in it. > Lets stop lying to ourself comrade, we recognise this leadership and under > this leadership we are able to correct our shortcomings in the PAC. I dont > have to refere you to our diciplinary code. You should know it by now. > > Forward to Afrika indipendence. Today South Africa tommorow the Democratic > Socialist Azania. > Izwe Lethu!! > > *From:* Yandisa Ngcuka <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:41:55 PM > *Subject:* Re: FW: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation > > Son of Afrika, > > > > This is realpolitik at its best, and I don’t think it should worry you that > much as history will absolve these efforts by PAYCO. History will > certainly judge the current so called Leadership very harshly. > > There are two immediate dynamics that we need to critically scrutinize: > > *1).* We have a very weak organization: Inter alia, there’s no > leadership, no vision, almost non-existent structures, no programs, no * > legitimate* policies, no political education and workshops, illegitimate > constitution. Therefore, it is my view that if we continue focusing on > personalities (especially the president) as opposed to building our own > structures, then these problems that we’re currently facing will always > resurface. Yes, building structures without any leadership might prove > to be ineffective, however, It’s quite evident now that the “president” and > his “NEC” are hell-bent to destroy the movement due to their narrow > interests. Their time will end, but the PAC will remain. Our main > priority comrades should be the PAC, not it’s compradorist leadership. We > did not join the individuals, we joined the organization and I think all of > us – proponents and opponents and the leadership change need to grasp this > logic. > > *2).* There is an issue of a Cape High Court Order against the PAC. Amongst > other things, the order states that: “..*the Constitution which was > allegedly adopted by the First Respondent (PAC) at its meeting of 4 -6 July > 2008 is set aside and declared to be null and void*.” > The “president” issued a memorandum on August 13th 2009 when it was > evident to him that most structure are aware of this court order. The > Court Order is dated, 23 April 2009 and remained binding when the President > lost the leave to appeal. Why did the “president" take so long to inform > the structures about this? The Kwa Langa (ward 52) Branch of the Cape > Metro region has requested the leadership to clarify the political and legal > implications of the Court Order, with no avail - yet, the “president” is > based in Cape Town. > The above is a further indictment that the uninformed membership and the > organizational disunity serve the so called leadership quite well as they > continue looting the organizational resources while we insult each other. > > > Izwe Lethu!! > > Yandisa > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Hulisani Mmbara <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:37:49 +0200 >> Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation >> >> Dear Andiswa, >> >> Hope this mail finds you well. >> >> Through you , I need to address the Parco boys directly and with all due >> respect request that you block their communication to the PAC, which they do >> not respect. >> >> Kevin and Linda I said it before and I will say it again, My president is >> not your President so I do not expect you to send any letters to his office, >> in case you are not aware we have only 1 seat in parliament thanks to you >> and your weak organization cos had it not been for PAYCO we would have >> obtain more seat than one. So stop sending him your rubbish. If your >> organization is going to a congress then tell that to people who care,but, >> hey I know why you send it to us, you are prodigal sons who want to come >> back home and the only way to come home is by you dropping your acts and >> joining the PACYL as members. >> >> You guys are agents of our struggle's enemy and it pains me to see such >> active young men like yourselves confused in a way you are, you say one >> thing and do another. As the national spokesperson for PACYL until the >> congress why don't you engage me and other coordinator like Pitso and >> Derrick. >> >> And as for the issue of assault I suggest that you be very civil about >> your approach to politics, cos clearly you think we are scared and afraid of >> you but we are not. Linda I need you to disciple Thapelo in Pretoria tell >> him PAC is not a Boxing ring if he wants to talk he must use the facility we >> called mouth and not fist. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Andiswa Mjali [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* 18 August 2009 03:04 PM >> *To:* Tumelo Segakweng; [email protected] >> *Subject:* FW: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation >> >> FYI >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Andiswa Mjali [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* 18 August 2009 01:43 PM >> *To:* [email protected]; [email protected] >> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected] >> *Subject:* Fw: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation >> >> FYI >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> *From:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected]; [email protected] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 10:22:23 >> *Subject:* [PAYCO] Congress Invitation >> >> Revolutionary Greetings!!! >> >> Kindly receive the signed Congress Invitation. Pleace circulate it far and >> wide as possible. >> >> Yours in socialist revolution. >> >> Kwame Ndebele >> PAYCO Secretary General >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm >> >> NOTICES: >> 1. This message and any attachments are confidential and intended solely >> for the addressee. If you have received this message in error, please notify >> the sender at the specific Independent Newspapers division, from which this >> message emanates, immediately. Any unauthorized use, alteration or >> dissemination is prohibited. >> 2. 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