Izwe Lethu justice I am attempted to agree with you joni but the unfortunate part is that the current NEC leadership has lost respect from general membership of the organisation and the only relevant platforms to raise critical issues is on the open public platforms. My submmission or my approach would be let people accept that things are not running normal and so that we start implementing corrective measures from the bottom up. I would appreciate if the leadership of all structures acknowledge this shortcomings. yours in quest for united Pac Soso Former PASMA DGS
--- On Mon, 5/24/10, justice <[email protected]> wrote: From: justice <[email protected]> Subject: FW: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity To: [email protected] Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 2:10 PM From: Justice [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 24 May 2010 01:06 PM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Izwe lethu Can someone lay down the principles of party unity so that we engage on informed basis. How do we establish a platform that will be welcomed to all ? where do we reach a compromise in terms of unity. But for us to move forward we need to do the following: Disband all parallel structures and we agree one name for youth, women structures and disband unconstitutional aplamva and have one leadership. Pac current nec must disband and a COLLECTIVE interim that is inclusive be set up even if Cde Letlapa leads it as he promised in 21 march at sharpvile 2009 that his priority is party building and party unity and this will give him the opportunity to do so. The interim then be given 24 months to build the programme that will lead to Pac conference in the first 12 months and eventually to congress. During the 24 months period we must build branches and provinces jointly in one administration. A party building programme is crucial. Membership must be open to all Pac members irrespective without singling out anyone. We must welcome everyone to come back but as individuals not groups. We must all reach a compromise if we want to build the party and in this way we shall have come close to party unity and factionalism will fade in time as long as we stick to Pac discipline. If anyone become destructive then you all know what the oath say about such issues. MAKUBE NJALO AND ALSO TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF WHAT MAWANDE JACK POSTED ON PARTY UNITY From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lehlohonolo Shale Sent: 24 May 2010 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Dear Comrade Moloto I acknowlegde receipt of the e-mail.I agree with your views on the question of unity in the PAC. Regards Hloni From: Narius Moloto <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 10:30:48 AM Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity We must establish the principles for party unity.unprincipled unity is artificial and unsestanable pac does need that.there is one pac and will always have one pac.since its inception pac always had factions and i just cant imagine pac without factions which thinks they are the real pac. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SOSO MASHILOANE Sent: 24 May 2010 09:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity Izwe Lethu Ma- Afrika I concur with the President of Payco with all the consultation process which needs to be followed however my biggest concern is that , who should be the initiator of this UNITY process? Is he or she going to be recognised by our so could factional structures (Both NTT & the Pac which is under Letlapa) ? Lastly Ma - Afrika how far can we go for the sake of PAC to reach this common goal? I understand that some of our activist from the ranks and files of PAC history would always judge them harshly. Its time that we have viable, credible & constituency base structures Yours in quest for Africanist cause Soso Mashiloane Former PASMA DSG 076 363 6666 --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:34 PM Mo Afrika Kwame Joni lets not make this issue of unity a shallow misdirected topic. Leadership of Letlapa is very much recognised in our constitutional institution . We cannot continue to disregard this fact. You can argue much on this issue, you can even give practical references to this issue but the trueth of the matter is that Letlapa's leadership is recognised not only by our neo liberal constitution, it is also recognised by the 40 000 plus people who voted PAC in the last election which remains questionable if you and your other comrades ever contributed or participated in that simple minority vote for PAC. So comrade you can shout at your loudest voice and only a handful of your faction will ever hear you. What remains to the majority of PAC comrades is that Payco is for the distruction of PAC based on their hate or rather a personal hate to Letlapa and others. This unity does not concern Letlapa and few others, it concern the majority of us who want to see a united PAC. Your excusses cannot be accepted. You are either for the unity of PAC or you are unti unity of PAC period. For Africanist Unity!! Viva PAC From: Dzumbu Mmbara <[email protected]> To: PAYCO <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 11:27:49 AM Subject: [PAYCO] Indeed PAC needs Unity http://payco.org.za/index.php/payco-members-forum/4-ideology-and-general-politics/11-indeed-pac-needs-unity 1 Hour, 50 Minutes ago Dear Africanists, Allow me to express my self on the issue of Unity talks as propagated and envisaged by party stalwarts like Johnson Mlambo, Dr Stanley Mogoba, Joe Mkhwanazi and other party founding members. The idea of unity and cohesion in the PAC is paramount and supported by PAYCO and surely by all in the PAC. Having said the above, as PAYCO we believe any talk of unity must be founded on shared common goals and driven by common desires. We stand for unity of purpose, hence we've been calling for unity of purpose and the adoption of a National Programme of Action that would drive and direct our programmes, activities and goals as an organisation. We share the concerns raised by the comrades who are propagating for Unity Talks, but we disagree with the approach adopted completely. We believe any attempt to handle party unity cannot succeed as long as those who lead that process are not brutally honest with those they are trying to unite. For starters, we have not heard these leaders denouncing factionalism that is fueled by Mphahlele in the party, rejecting the creation of parallel structures, physical assaults to party members, non distribution of party membership cards, disbandment of structures that refuse to support an Agenda to destroy the party and total disregard of party constitution. We expect those who lead this process to speak out against these destructive tendencies as they have been unashamed to attack PAYCO for its non support of the Unity Talks. PAYCO can also put on record that it has not been formally engaged on this matter , which is quite strage. You would normally expect that structures would be formally engaged individually on the objectives of the process and be given an opportunity to interrogate the entire process and to take into confidence its structures on the ground. This has not been the case with these Unity Talks. The main contenders have not been engaged, we've been hearing about the Unity Talks on Facebook and over the grapevine. We hold a view that this process has not been properly handled therefore cannot succeed to unite PAC. PAYCO also feels it was completely out of order for the proponents of the Unity Talks to undermine the Cape Town Convention and its resolutions in pursuing Unity Talks. The organisers of the Unity Talks have undermined the National Task Team, a structure that was given a mandate to lead the PAC to the National Policy Conference and the National Congress. The National Task Team is the only structure that commands respect from all party component structures,e.i, PAYCO, PASMA, PAWO, PALF, APLAMVA and PASO. PAYCO shall only partake in unity Talks that put constitutionality first and that is driven by the National Task Team or jointly driven with the National Task Team. PAC needs no Messiahs to salvage it from this quagmire it finds itself into, we are quite capable to resolve our problems on our own. United We Stand! Divided We Fall!!! Foward Ever!!! Backward Never!!! Izwe Lethu!! Kwame Ndebele PAYCO President Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. -- Sending your posting to [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com No virus found in this incoming message. 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