M-Afrika. You are raising a good question for comrades to respond. It is enough for me to say Pan Africanists are socialists, not capitalists. We reject economic exploitation of the many for the benefit of the few. We are for a planned economy as opposed to market economy (capitalism). Sobukwe too talked of a Socialist Government and Kwame Nkrumah referred to an All-African Socialist Government. Nkrumah went to say we are for Scientific Socialism, not ''African Socialism''. In his book 'African Socialism Revised'
Izwe Lethu! Chargein Mabaso 0710203554 On 4/3/12, Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]> wrote: > Cde's Xaba, Ndebele and Seroke > > I perceive that Africanists espouse communist sentiments, despite the fact > that we don't have such tags. Every time, we write about social > inequalities, we argue that the current social milieu advances the > interests of the minority. I have been wrestling about thinking of a better > panacea to address the social ills of society in modern times, or to put it > simple, ever since the capitalist system was inaugurated in the preceding > centuries. The answer I get: is that wealth must be distributed equally. > However, I find difficulties in finding a suitable solution, given that the > communist system experiment in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe failed. > Nikita Khrushchev after the death of Joseph Stalin was naïve, thinking that > communism was a better way of living once it has been de-Stalinized. But > latter, his reforms fell short in addressing the problem between the rich > and the poor. I believe that the capitalist system will thrive despite our > continued aversion to it. What is the Africanist-socialist democracy that > Prof Sobukwe spoke about ?or may the question should be, if the PAC gets > into the power, how will it address the socio-economic disparities created > by apartheid. Are we communist in disguise ? > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Sbu Xaba; Jaki Seroke > Subject: Re: RE: [PAYCO] SOBUKWE WILL NEVER DIE > > > The functioning of democracy within the free market system which inherently > permits a few to control the means of production and distribution will > logically result to democarcy serving few. Therefore social engineering will > be premised on the basis of an elitist system whereat the majority are > subjugated to servants or modern days slavery, neo colonialism arises as a > tentacle which serves the interest of the dominant mode of production and > distribution. In Azania the seventy percent of the national wealth is > concentrated in less twenty percent of the population. Thus 1994 democratic > dispensation has been a reformist change whereat the base namely control of > the mode of production and distribution remains intact including the state > machinery remained untransformed however white faces were replaced by Black > faces, Amilcar Cabral on the Weapon of Theory Havana document has vividly > elucidated this perspective. However Cabral goes further that African > liberation organisations are not engaging on theoratical debates and > discussions on the matters, it therefore follows that the prevalent > political theoratical and ideological defiency within the movement > demostrated by popular phrase mongering and sloganeering confirms Cabral > analysis. > > Sekou Toure once argued that the African people need a movement that is > organisation for with, within and through organisation, a crucial space is > exploited progressively to create a consciouss mass which will and can act > systematically with a defined sense of purpose and result. Structures are > formed to systematically pursue organisational political programme. Weak and > poor organisation creates space for neocolonialism and exploitation of the > working masses to prevail. It is only in poorly organised and weak > formations that self serving leadership prevails and the downtrodden & > toiling masses used as a ladder for greener pastures consequently such > organisations will continuosly breed such type of leadership. Blame less > leaders for they are a product of organisation, to alter the cause of events > through proper reorganisation the necessary leadership with integrity and > selfless character having embraced revolutionary discipline and willing to > subject oneself to the will and aspiration of people will emerge > organically. > > Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi > Cellphone: 0749226361 > Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > On 3 Apr 2012 11:57, "Sebenzile Mlaza" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Revolutionary greetings sons and daughters of the soil, > > Here is a quiz: "What is better to lose both capital and the African agenda > or lose capital and have the African agenda or have capital and lose the > African agenda." Without influencing your answers, bear in mind that > policies such as GEAR, and even the South African constitution (property > clause quickly comes to mind here) are all but designed to protect minority > interests - read this to mean settler interests. Remember politics is about > the seizure of state power (by any means necessary - hook or crook), and > power is about money. The entire African Diaspora has ring-fenced itself > 'round this winner takes all foreign ideology, they blow hot and cold, take > this European trash and turn it to African treasure. > > A Zulu monarch, king Cetshwayo once challenged this sh*tstym called > democracy which he argued to be a system best at satisfying few people at > the expense of the unsuspecting majority. It is basically a system of > government by way of co-option. The army and the police are there only to > serve one purpose - perpetuation and sustainability of the system. > Dissenters are easily ridiculed and dubbed agent provocateurs and enemies of > the state. We only see demands made during electioneering met by brutal > force (kraag) accompanied by baton beating, rubber bullets shooting and > tear-gassing. In worst case scenarios by detention and even death. This > simply validates a scientific assertion that human beings naturally harbour > autocratic and despotic tendencies which they have inherited from their own > primate ancestors, the Homo Sapiens. > > Now, how dare South Africa pride itself of having drafted the best > constitution in the world when the vast majority of the African population > is permanently trapped in poverty in their partly tarred neighbourhoods. > Problem is, persons we admired, correctly so, who are now taking potshots at > the compradores in the ANC government are all getting stipends from the same > government by virtue of being graduates from exile or Robben Island. It's do > or die, sink or swim Ma-Afrika! We need to be smart and not be too hard on > ourselves, we owe it to the PAC and the entire continent of Africa and her > children. When even monkeys could fall from trees which is a turf they are > familiar with, then Africanists who have swelled the ranks of the ruling > party know that the eschatology of ruling 'till parousia making the > centenary hullaballoo sempiternal is paralogistic. That's for sure. Heed > this unsolicited advice and indeed one day Sobukwe's message will be > resurrected, Izwe Lethu!!! > > > ps: A deliberately haggard-looking Kwame Ture (formerly known as Stockley > Carmichael) was once told by the late Mirriam Makeba on their wedding day > that "we are not fighting to remain in the mud." > > Sebenzile Mlaza > 011 223 0190 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of > Jaki Seroke > Sent: 03 April 2012 09:18 > To: Sbu Xaba ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] SOBUKWE WILL NEVER DIE > > In Manning Marable's "Malcom X - A Life of Reinvention" (2011) the eminent > academic compares Malcolm to Sobukwe. He deals with myth and falsehoods in > the media on the life of Malcom X. > > Relate this development to the silence on Malcolm X that dominated Black > America for more than two decades after his death. The uprising of youth in > Atlanta and Los Angeles in the nineties - who identified with the powerful > message of Malcolm X that the US itself was a bigger prison and African > Americans were inmates - was ignited by police brutality on an innocent and > defenseless young man. Subsequently, the image of X was in fashion, it was > commercialized and Spike Lee even produced a successful full length movie. > > Sobukwe at the moment in South Africa will form a rallying point for a > grassroots revolution. Snippets like the SABC documentary and concerted > efforts to publicize the ideas of Prof will spark a prairie fire. Reuel > Khoza uses Prof as a beacon of light in leadership principles in his book, > "Attuned Leadership - African Humanism as Compass" (2011). Khoza is today > emboldened to openly express his misgivings on the government's lack of > leadership. > > Our own internal tsotsi elements, who aim to steal the Party from its > members, have their backs against the wall. They are blocking the free flow > and blossoming of the ideas of Sobukwe from reaching the masses, when they > selfishly hoard the PAC as their own. They stole NACTU from its members (and > stole R79m from the workers) and rendered it a toothless labor body (See M&G > March 30 - 4 April 2012, p12). They cannot be allowed to do the same damage > to the PAC. The reality is that PAC is the African people - as Chairman > Pokela used to say. > > The democratic process of openness and consultancy with all the members, > returning to constitutionality in the PAC and subjecting ourselves to > scrutiny in a fair manner in a national conference, ahead of holding a > congress - forms the bedrock principle of democratic centralism. 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