Hi Stephen, Hmm. Not sure they were an exhibitor last year, either, but they did do a couple of education oriented presentations. I went to one of these and, sadly, it was pretty much all soft fuzzy stuff with few hard facts concerning what really does and does not work with VoiceOver, even in the educational arena. Alas, I just can't imagine VoiceOver, in its present state of evolution, working with the types of software used in schools today especially for math and science.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Guerra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: RE: Hats Off to Apple > Hi to all, the vendor list for Csun is up and available, but Apple is not > part of it > > > > Stephen A. Guerra > Assistive Technology Specialist > Independent Living Aids > > "Products for Your Active Independent Life!" > > 200 Robbins Lane > Jericho, NY 11753 > Phone: (516) 937-1848-x313 > Fax: (516) 937-3906 > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: ILASteve > Web Site: > http://www.independentliving.com > http://www.soundbytes.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Darrell Shandrow > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:07 PM > To: PC audio discussion list. > Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple > > Hi Chris, > > I think Apple is going to be in attendance at CSUN again this year. I > think > someone should finally really confront them hard about this as publicly as > possible. Of course, they tend to send people who really don't know much > of > anything, but, well, they should take our concerns back with them from the > conference. Of course, they should hear from more than just one or two > "troublemakers" at the conference concerning issues like this. > > How about this as a list of issues, which ought to also impact their > educational business: > * Access to real office productivity suites with VoiceOver? > * Compatibility with applications that haven't explicitly been developed > for > accessibility. > * Access to iTunes on Windows. > > I tried to address these issues last year, but the Apple folks they send > don't know how to address them correctly and thus it tends to get > side-stepped. > Too bad I can't attend this time around. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Skarstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:55 AM > Subject: RE: Hats Off to Apple > > >> Here here Jeff, couldn't agree with you more man. I think Apple put >> out their Windows version of iTunes mainly so that they could say >> they have a Windows version out, and they could give a crap less >> about accessibility. >> Yell and scream about how great it is Mac users, you finally got what >> you wanted. But I'm going to continue to hold Apple in contempt >> until they produce a screenreader friendly version of iTunes. When I >> say "screenreader friendly", I mean a version that does not require >> the use of scripts or set files to work. Fat chance of that >> happening...I'll believe it when it happens. >> >> >> >> >> >> At 09:24 AM 3/7/2007, you wrote: >>>The proof is in the pudding. Apple still hasn't gotten Windows Vista >>>support done let alone accessibility, so I am sure it is merely a >>>priority >>>for the Mac platform more then it is for the Windows platform. >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:55 AM >>>To: PC audio discussion list. >>>Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple >>> >>>Better accessability for Itunes is being worked on. I'm not making >>>excuses >>>for Apple but everything takes time and I'm sure that Windows users will >>>end >>>up with a totally accessible version of Itunes before too long, just be >>>patient, can't say too much right now. >>>Why do Apple users make a thing about how accessible Itunes is? >>>Because quite simply its worth making a thing about, its taken a while >>>but >>>Itunes has turned overnight from something which wasn't all that >>>accessible >>>at all (more near to totally inaccessible) to something which is getting >>>to >>>the point of being near totally accessible so that in itself is worth >>>making >>>a thing about plus the fact that all the hard work and all the >>>correspondence between Apple and Voiceover users finally paid off, we now >>>have a commitment on behalf of Apple that further development will >>>continue >>>etc. >>> >>>On 08/03/2007, at 12:28 AM, Stephen Guerra wrote: >>> >>>It appears that those who are using Macs are giving praise to Apple where >>>I >>>as a Windows user still as most find that Itunes is still lacking. >>> >>>Seems like any hint of an Apple user makes them scream that the little >>>tidbit that Apple does is golden, well, its not and they are not, >>>(meaning >>>Apple) are Golden Delicious. >>> >>>More like rotten Macintosh! >>> >>> >>> >>>Stephen A. Guerra >>>Assistive Technology Specialist >>>Independent Living Aids >>> >>>"Products for Your Active Independent Life!" >>> >>>200 Robbins Lane >>>Jericho, NY 11753 >>>Phone: (516) 937-1848-x313 >>> Fax: (516) 937-3906 >>> >>>E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Skype: ILASteve >>>Web Site: >>>http://www.independentliving.com >>>http://www.soundbytes.com >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>audio.org] >>>On Behalf Of David Tanner >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:15 AM >>>To: PC audio discussion list. >>>Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple >>> >>>Why doesn't that surprise me??? >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Chris Skarstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:14 PM >>>Subject: RE: Hats Off to Apple >>> >>> >>>: Yes, I have tried iTunes 7.1 under windows, I wanted to try to have >>>: an open mind and try it, and guess what? It is still just as >>>: inaccessible as it was previously. So apple is still the lose, at >>>: least under the windows platform. >>>: and because Apple has made *absolutely* no efforts whatsoever in >>>: making the windows version of iTunes more accessible, I can't support >>>them. >>>: >>>: >>>: >>>: >>>: >>>: >>>: >>>: >>>: At 01:54 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote: >>>: >Has anyone tried it with windows >>>: > >>>: > >>>: > >>>: >Stephen A. Guerra >>>: >Assistive Technology Specialist >>>: >Independent Living Aids >>>: > >>>: >"Products for Your Active Independent Life!" >>>: > >>>: >200 Robbins Lane >>>: >Jericho, NY 11753 >>>: >Phone: (516) 937-1848-x313 >>>: > Fax: (516) 937-3906 >>>: > >>>: >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>: >Skype: ILASteve >>>: >Web Site: >>>: >http://www.independentliving.com >>>: >http://www.soundbytes.com >>>: > >>>: > >>>: >-----Original Message----- >>>: >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>: >On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan >>>: >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:38 PM >>>: >To: PC audio discussion list. >>>: >Subject: Fwd: Hats Off to Apple >>>: > >>>: >Ok, here's the announcement about the new version of Itunes for Mac. >>>: > >>>: > >>>: >Begin forwarded message: >>>: > >>>: > > Apple has truly done what some might consider impossible; on March >>>5, >>>: > > 2007, Apple unveiled a long-awaited update to iTunes with support >>>for >>>: > > accessible clients such as VoiceOver. >>>: > > >>>: > > This comes nearly 22 months after the release of Mac OS X 10.4 >>>which >>>: > > introduced the VoiceOver screen reader. Since VoiceOver's >>>: > > introduction, the VO user community has been very vocal about the >>>: > > desire for an accessible iTunes. Apple has listened and delivered >>>... >>>: > > at long last! >>>: > > >>>: > > While iTunes' accessibility is a far cry from perfect, it does >>>: > > represent a significant step forward from what was possible before. >>>: > > Users can browse their iTunes library, search and preview songs >>>from >>>: > > the iTunes Music Store, adjust song ratings, and much, much more. >>>If >>>: > > iTunes 7.1 is any indication, then we can expect improvements to >>>: > > iTunes accessibility in future releases of the product. >>>: > > >>>: > > Everyone who appreciates the work Apple has done to bring forth the >>>: > > accessible version of iTunes should E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>and >>>: > > thank them for their hard work. Many of us were quick to bash >>>Apple >>>: > > for not making iTunes 7 accessible. 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