> Actually I have M.E. and have used it for that in the past. Forgot > about that feature, though, probably because M.E. can't see the drive > for me to select it. >
It might have helped if you had let us know that you were having trouble with an ATA drive. M.E. was designed for SCSI. I don't know if it was designed to support ATA (IDE). It was produced before ATA adapter cards became popular with Macs. > "Apple supported," HA! C'mon, we're talking about non-OSX PCI Mac > users here. Also, buy an ATA Maxtor (as I did) and see how much they > give a crap that you are a PCI Mac user. No drivers, no support and > just a few blurbs of instruction devoted to Macs in their > installation guide. Granted if you have a Mac it's not that > complicated, but if you experience problems Maxtor is no help? > Neither is Apple anymore. I never said Apple would support you, I said the Apple drive software would recognize and support many drives. Once again, you are dealing with OS support for SCSI, not IDE. If memory serves, an IDE (ATA) PCI card is supposed to recognize the attached devices and translate them into something the CPU can recognize. Are you sure that your card is able to recognize the drive? Perhaps the card's support driver has corrupted? Is the card and its cables still well seated? Do you have another ATA device that you can use to verify the card's functionality? Do you have access to an ATA machine to verify that the drive hasn't died? > Anyway, my question concerns drivers. Many updates to Drive Setup > have come out since the version that came with my OS 8.6 (what's that > 1997 vintage?). The drive is a late 2002 ATA Diamondmax plus 9 > model. I used a driver and formatting from Drive Setup 2.0.3 from OS > 9.1 since I was planning to put, and did put 9.1 on the new drive. > Worked well for months. I had 8.6 on my old SCSI drive which I used > as the start up HD , too, sometimes. I would think the newest driver > available would be best for a new drive. > The newest drive software will recognize more devices, which would help with the chances of recognizing a new device, but the drive technology (ROM, etc.) may not be as new as the date of manufacture. There are many drives on the market that are sold as a new model, while actually being an older model with a new size hard disk, etc. I've formatted many recent production date SCSI 3 drives (68 pin, with 68 to 50 pin adapters) with as old as the disk software from OS 7.1 for use in some Quadras and PPC 7100s. All work as well as those formatted via the software with OS 9.1 used with (via internal and external OEM SCSI) and without adapters (via a SCSI 3 PCI card) in my PCI Macs. (I've also used 9.1 drive software formatted drives in OS 7.1 Macs. They worked fine as long as they were HFS formatted.) Of course the non adapted drives work faster due to full SCSI 3 data bus speeds, but all are equally reliable. I will leave what is needed with ATA to someone who uses them. I prefer the reliability of SCSI data transfer for my A/V work even if it costs more. ATA is fast, but is well known to drop and corrupt data. That's why Apple resisted them for so long. Now they are used for size vs cost and many of us feel they aren't reliable enough for some types of work unless used in a RAID configuration. The 9 gig that I have in my PB 1400 has lost data on more than one occasion when being used for field video work. I now use external SCSI with both of my PB 1400s when work is critical. The ATA RAID option isn't possible with my PBs. > Not if your directory gets corrupted and your data gets splattered > all over the place. > That's usually when reformatting is needed and the old data gets lost. There are some data recovery programs, but the ones I have are designed for SCSI. > > Unfortunately M.E. can't see the drive. Once my other drive boots > and extensions load no icons appear on my desktop and everything > hangs as the system tries to mount that Maxtor. A frozen watch > cursor is usually the end of the line. BUT there have been signs of > life for the Maxtor on a few attempts when I get the window, "This > disk is unreadable. Do you want to initialize"? I click to initialize > and it takes forever scanning the volume until the system freezes > totally. I have to disconnect the Maxtor drive power connector to be > able to boot the computer and my original SCSI. That could be a card problem or it could be configuration/termination? problem. Is the ATA set to be a master? (I once had a jumper fall off of a drive. Normal drive vibration allowed it to work loose. I spent a bunch of time cursing and fighting with the Mac before I noticed a jumper sitting in the bottom of the case. My forehead still hurts from the slap I gave it! I spread the pins a bit and never had the problem again. I pay especially close attention when the drive has jumpers that face down.) Maybe someone has found an ATA specific program that works like M.E. does with SCSI? M.E. works through my SCSI 3 PCI card, but I don't know if it will work through an ATA PCI card. I can't get it to work through my USB card and I haven't added firewire, so don't know about that. David Allen -- PCI-PowerMacs is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... 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