On Sunday, April 4, 2004, at 11:13 PM, Mike wrote:
Hi all,
Since SpamCop is the most widely used spam service by ISPs, many of you must also be affected by this, unless my ISP rep is full of crap. Between not answering bounce messages and not getting list mail, eventually I get dropped by the Maclaunch server and must resubscribe.
If re-subscribing works, it's not got anything to do with SpamCop, because the address would still be blocked... The problem is on Maclaunch's end, and their horrible list management software. Your ISP's rep is full of it.
Bruce, my NetLink.Net rep tells me the blacklisting is not permanent. His whole explanation to my complaint about the list mail being blocked sounded fairly reasonable. Even though it's long I am providing his entire response to me below to see what the rest of you might think. - Mike
Mike,
I'm not saying it's not a valid email list. There are 2 problems. One is they get listed by spamcop every now and then and there really isn't anything I can do about that. The second is not a problem with the list but with the people posting to the list. They are including ads in their posts that are going to trigger the spam filters. My guess is they are using free unfiltered accounts to read and post just like I was suggesting.
As far as I can tell the guy running the list is a fine upstanding type running a valid email list, the problem is not with him but with people reporting the list to spamcop and with people posting to the list and including ads. Since you want it in digest form, if even one person posts with an ad that triggers our filters you lose the whole digest.
That's not going to work very well with a filtered account. I'm on a couple of lists like that and I've been thru it before, the only good way to do it is with an unfiltered account. I use hushmail.com for that, decent free unfiltered email that's disposable so once ever few months I signup a new account.
On the blacklisting, we have nothing to do with who gets listed and who doesn't, we subscribe to a blacklist called spamcop which is very effective at reducing the amount of spam we receive. When they blacklist a server, everyone who subscribes to spamcop rejects all mail from that server until it's unlisted. They only blacklist while a spamming is going on and only after receiving multiple complaints or spam to a trap address (a fake address). It's a really good blacklist and when I looked to see why that mailing list had been tagged I saw a couple spams come out of it now and then and so they get listed for a couple days then cleared. I think that happened like 3 times in the past 4 or 5 months so it's enough to cause problems.
When I put all this together it's clear to me you'll go nuts trying to receive this list on a filtered account. It will be nothing but problems so that's why I suggested using an unfiltered account of some sort.
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