Karl pretty much echoed my sentiments, and the general consensus of McAfee,
AND their so called "support".

A while back I tested about 12 top AV programs (except for McAfee).  I
never found one that worked as good as my old Norton v5 from 1998 as far as
convenience and unloading!  I could no longer use it on XP so I was forced
to use another.  Among them I tested; Norton 2001/02 & 03, NOD32,
Kaspersky, Norman, AVG (his 3rd link), PCcillin, Panda, AntiVir (his 2nd
link) and a few others that I can't recall.  All of them will provide at
least "decent" protection, but most of them failed some tests like the
zipped virus/worm test and an infected sort of "text file" except for
PCcillin and Kaspersky which passed.  I went with PCcillin because I could
not FULLY unload Kaspersky.  One of my criteria was being able to FULLY
UNLOAD the program by simply clicking it's icon in the system tray and
'exit' or 'unload', because I of course unload my AV software when running
scandisk, defrag, or installing anything.  The only way I could see to
FULLY unload for example Norton was to restart the computer!  That is
totally unacceptable.

NONE of them would actually *COMPLETELY* unload.  With those that appeared
to (that would remove the system tray icon), when you would cont-alt-del
there would still be things associated with them running that were very
difficult to shut down.  PCcillin did unload the system tray icon and what
remained in the cont-alt-del window was easily shut down.

Their support is good, or at least they try, but they don't seem to be able
to fix some problems.  Mine was perfect up until the morons had an update
that did not just update the definitions but also updated the program
version.  No one can ever leave well enough alone.  Since that point I have
been unable to automatically update it (says there is no internet
connection when I click the "update" button).  I now have to go to their
#$%&[EMAIL PROTECTED] website every day to see if there are any updates, manually
download it, and manually install it.  I've reinstalled a bunch of times
and still have the program right after that one dam' update!  They don't
know what's going on but I CAN'T be the only one this is happening to!  No
one here @PCworks was able to figure out the problem either.  So I'm stuck
with doing this ridiculous routine until someone comes out with better or
same protection that *can be unloaded easily*.
-Clint

God Bless Us All
Clint Hamilton, Owner
Want to exchange links with us?
http://OrpheusComputing.com )

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Springer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



On 14 Aug 2003 15:06 -0500, Dr. Rick Gillespie wrote, at least
in part:

> ... my McAfee software is driving me nuts.

You are not alone...

> So, is there any system better than McAfee?  I hear from some
> that Norton is no better.

FWIW I've been using Norton AV for several years as a part of a
Suite (got the original and upgrades at a good price).  The only
problem I've run into was related to uninstalling the older
version prior to installing the later version; I ended up
augmenting the 'normal' Windows' uninstall function with a
special Symantec uninstall tool.  If I had installed a stand
alone Norton AV, I don't know if I would have had this problem.

> I've also heard others rave about a free AV software that has
> unlimited free updates.  Can anyone shed some light on this
> delimma for me?

There are several free (for personal use) AV programs; some
provider URLs (in alphabetical order):

#1  http://www.avast.com/
#2  http://www.free-av.com/
#3  http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php
#4  http://www.vcatch.com/download.html

While I have no personal experience with any of these programs,
I've heard positive comments from users of #1 and #3.

HTH,

Karl
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