> So maybe the name of this menu item is a "Macism"? yep. see https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/tcl/apple_events.tcl#L58-L63
... for this reason, the "HTML Manual..." entry is only added to the help menu for non-macOS or previous TCL versions: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/tcl/pd_menus.tcl#L361-L365 i'm not sure whether my new approach is good - so i'd certainly be glad if more eyes could check this. i see 2 options now: 1. create only the help menu twice outside the loop (what Roman tested): https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/compare/master...ben-wes:pure-data:fix/tcl8.6help 2. create all these menus twice: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/compare/master...ben-wes:pure-data:fix/tcl8.6help-2 after burning my fingers here, i'd prefer to let others decide. ;) ... and there's now unfortunately a need for a quick bugfix release based on this mess, i'd be curious if other mac users can reproduce what i reported in https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/2719 cheers, ben On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 3:09 PM Roman Haefeli <reduz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, 2025-08-06 at 14:42 +0200, Miller Puckette via Pd-dev wrote: > > OK, I'll wait until Roman (or anyone else) can verify this fixes it. > > (Meanwhile I've hit at least one crasher bug when deleting > > fields from [struct] objects (which sets off a chain of data > > resizing and relocation) - so I'll probably have something to update > > in a day or two as well. > > I applied this patch¹ to pd_menus.tcl and the menu entry "Pd Help" > appeared again and opens the HTML manual in the browser. From what I > can tell, this looks good on macOS Sequoia with this patch. > > > Note: In Linux, the corresponding menu item is named "HTML Manual" > which I find is more meaningful than just "Pd Help". Also, on the Mac, > all menu items are localized except "Pd Help". I see in the code that > macOS is handled differently. So maybe the name of this menu item is a > "Macism"? > > Roman > > > ¹ > https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/commit/7ec024e7edff662e03a980995e9e196e0e0cf257 > --- > pd-dev@lists.iem.at - the Pd developers' mailinglist > https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-dev@lists.iem.at/message/6WIKU5MW4FP7MQ4TPKPMWOQY6XCIXMQR/ --- pd-dev@lists.iem.at - the Pd developers' mailinglist https://lists.iem.at/hyperkitty/list/pd-dev@lists.iem.at/message/KBOZHMGWPRM6IQLS6TZXZADSQEL5VUOP/