OK, I'll wait until Roman (or anyone else) can verify this fixes it.
(Meanwhile I've hit at least one crasher bug when deleting
fields from [struct] objects (which sets off a chain of data
resizing and relocation) - so I'll probably have something to update
in a day or two as well.

cheers
M


On 8/6/25 1:39 PM, Benjamin Wesch wrote:
that's what i feared. :( sorry about this! - i assumed that my tests
here were sufficient.

thanks for your tests, roman!

i would hope that this different approach might fix it (so that the
help menu works for pd window and patch window with the "Pd help"
entry):
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/compare/master...ben-wes:pure-data:fix/tcl8.6help__;!!Mih3wA!AUtPoJZ5M2rK2egkF_FrnOsgmCCxkfT8U6Vg8SfVGaaB0t1sJaiByfzlSsOjpbU4qxuGx17Ad2JKu_ICsNmN$

that's not confirmed yet, though.

cheers,
ben

On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 1:33 PM Roman Haefeli <reduz...@gmail.com> wrote:
I checked the diff between test1 und test2 and found the only change in
the tcl files to be in pd_menus.tcl.


After commenting out the following lines (79-82):


#    # create separate help menu for pdwindow on macOS (system integration)
#    if {$::windowingsystem eq "aqua" && $::tcl_version >= 8.5} {
#        build_help_menu [menu $::pdwindow_menubar.help]
#        $::pdwindow_menubar entryconfigure "Help" -menu 
$::pdwindow_menubar.help
#    }
#

I have a working Pd-0.56-0.app on macOS 15.5

(The change didn't seem to have an effect immediately. I had to restart
Pd.app a few times before I experienced a difference)


Roman



On Tue, 2025-08-05 at 12:30 +0200, Benjamin Wesch wrote:
yep. i prepared some builds from several commits between those - just
don't have a machine to test right now.

cheers,
ben

On Tue, Aug 5, 2025, 12:22 Miller Puckette via Pd-dev
<pd-dev@lists.iem.at> wrote:
I can't seem to get hold of the CI "pipelines" right now (getting
an
error) but... would it
be possible to test some versions between test1 and test2 to narrow
things down?

cheers
M


On 8/5/25 12:08 PM, Benjamin Wesch wrote:
I only hope that this has nothing to do with my rewrite of the
menus (having different menus for the PdWindow and
PatchWindows).
since test1 already includes your changes (afaict) and works
well, i
guess they're fine. i'm currently more worried that my attempt of
restoring the "Pd help" entry is causing the issue and somehow
interferes with the initialization:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/commit/eaa3fb53d287d15a07325e5f33a16864b776b547__;!!Mih3wA!F_GMw3H6073_7Fp7FWvY_XV_I47dn7QR7t3zw2x9qXvaLwnRD1_dOHiT5DJgnmz7ruQbCOYH8v2fxxIwQcKh$

... but same here: no idea why that's not an issue on my machine.

cheers,
ben

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