that's what i feared. :( sorry about this! - i assumed that my tests
here were sufficient.

thanks for your tests, roman!

i would hope that this different approach might fix it (so that the
help menu works for pd window and patch window with the "Pd help"
entry):
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/compare/master...ben-wes:pure-data:fix/tcl8.6help

that's not confirmed yet, though.

cheers,
ben

On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 1:33 PM Roman Haefeli <reduz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I checked the diff between test1 und test2 and found the only change in
> the tcl files to be in pd_menus.tcl.
>
>
> After commenting out the following lines (79-82):
>
>
> #    # create separate help menu for pdwindow on macOS (system integration)
> #    if {$::windowingsystem eq "aqua" && $::tcl_version >= 8.5} {
> #        build_help_menu [menu $::pdwindow_menubar.help]
> #        $::pdwindow_menubar entryconfigure "Help" -menu 
> $::pdwindow_menubar.help
> #    }
> #
>
> I have a working Pd-0.56-0.app on macOS 15.5
>
> (The change didn't seem to have an effect immediately. I had to restart
> Pd.app a few times before I experienced a difference)
>
>
> Roman
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2025-08-05 at 12:30 +0200, Benjamin Wesch wrote:
> > yep. i prepared some builds from several commits between those - just
> > don't have a machine to test right now.
> >
> > cheers,
> > ben
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2025, 12:22 Miller Puckette via Pd-dev
> > <pd-dev@lists.iem.at> wrote:
> > > I can't seem to get hold of the CI "pipelines" right now (getting
> > > an
> > > error) but... would it
> > > be possible to test some versions between test1 and test2 to narrow
> > > things down?
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > M
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/5/25 12:08 PM, Benjamin Wesch wrote:
> > > > > I only hope that this has nothing to do with my rewrite of the
> > > > > menus (having different menus for the PdWindow and
> > > > > PatchWindows).
> > > > since test1 already includes your changes (afaict) and works
> > > > well, i
> > > > guess they're fine. i'm currently more worried that my attempt of
> > > > restoring the "Pd help" entry is causing the issue and somehow
> > > > interferes with the initialization:
> > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/commit/eaa3fb53d287d15a07325e5f33a16864b776b547__;!!Mih3wA!F_GMw3H6073_7Fp7FWvY_XV_I47dn7QR7t3zw2x9qXvaLwnRD1_dOHiT5DJgnmz7ruQbCOYH8v2fxxIwQcKh$
> > > >
> > > > ... but same here: no idea why that's not an issue on my machine.
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > ben
> > > >
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