On 2013-01-05 22:36, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Kelly <morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com>; Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
Cc: Pd List <pd-list@iem.at>
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page
OK, no need to fight. This is about a version of Pd-extended that has been a
very long time coming, that had many issues to resolve, that went offline and
was unavailable at the start of the workshops I teach. I also can't get my
students to download a version of Pd-extended that isn't finished and
won't run on their machine. This is their first experience of programming.
They'll give up straight away!
Of course. I'm just giving you a beginner's perspective; it's my own
memory of that perspective that drives me to work on tools which are currently
only marginally useful to me personally. The supermajority of discontent
among your students tells me that this perspective hasn't changed much.
By far, that is currently the fault of the software-- the documentation is
currently too slim and core pd building blocks (and interface) too crude
for the question "how do I find more objects" to be anything like an ancillary
question.
A static out-of-date list is better than nothing, but as far as potential dev
energy I'd really rather see that put into core docs like the ones listed
on the bug tracker, which are extremely lacking. That FLOSS list will hopefully
become obsolete, but the help docs won't-- even if they're dropped from
Pd-extended they're still publicly available.
-Jonathan
While I have agreed and disagreed with various points in this discussion, I
think Jonathan's two paragraphs above sum up my feelings on this topic too.
Jonathan has put together a really great system for help from the meta data to
the search plugin, now we need to put actual content and meta data in our help
patches and it'll all be findable in a multitude of ways. All this could even
be used to generate the static listing in the FLOSS manuals: just take the
object name, then get the library and description from the [pd META].
Yeah, and we need the spec for [Pd META] to be known.
For devs maybe en entry in the externals HOWTO?
Martin
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