----- Original Message ----- > From: João Pais <[email protected]> > To: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]>; Hans-Christoph Steiner > <[email protected]> > Cc: Pd List <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 4:54 AM > Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page > > for whom it interests, I was the one putting that list up - a short version > of > my own xls file made through copy-pasting - and I always agreed that the > fixed > format was the worse way to nail the "moving target". but I have no > knowledge to do it better, so it had to be done that way, and apparently many > people did used it (even though it was never complete). > if possible, I can help in any way of improving this reference, including > taking > it down. the only thing I won't do is more copy-pasting, because it is > really irrelevant. but as I don't have any batching knowledge, the best I > can do is to check for libraries missing meta data (including mine), etc. Or > do > portuguese desserts for whoever wants to work (http://tinyurl.com/blyqgsc). > > for the categorization of the pd objects, I would suggest something else: to > expand the list of categories, either with more categories, or with > subcategories. the list from vanilla is very general, even for the vanilla > objects. To have few categories with too many objects in them isn't really a > big help in sorting out the objects. But that would be the discussion of a > new > thread.
You can see the categories if you scroll down to the bottom of the search plugin. They aren't hierarchical so there's no need for sub-categories. These are just categories I came up with off the top of my head. Feel free to suggest additions, deletions, better descriptions, or any objects I may have missed. -Jonathan > > >> On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>> From: Ed Kelly <[email protected]> >>>> To: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]>; Hans-Christoph > Steiner <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Pd List <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 5:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page >>>> >>>> OK, no need to fight. This is about a version of Pd-extended that > has been a >>>> very long time coming, that had many issues to resolve, that went > offline and >>>> was unavailable at the start of the workshops I teach. I also > can't get my >>>> students to download a version of Pd-extended that isn't > finished and >>>> won't run on their machine. This is their first experience of > programming. >>>> They'll give up straight away! >>> >>> Of course. I'm just giving you a beginner's perspective; > it's my own >>> memory of that perspective that drives me to work on tools which are > currently >>> only marginally useful to me personally. The supermajority of > discontent >>> among your students tells me that this perspective hasn't changed > much. >>> By far, that is currently the fault of the software-- the documentation > is >>> currently too slim and core pd building blocks (and interface) too > crude >>> for the question "how do I find more objects" to be anything > like an ancillary >>> question. >>> >>> A static out-of-date list is better than nothing, but as far as > potential dev >>> energy I'd really rather see that put into core docs like the ones > listed >>> on the bug tracker, which are extremely lacking. That FLOSS list will > hopefully >>> become obsolete, but the help docs won't-- even if they're > dropped from >>> Pd-extended they're still publicly available. >>> >>> -Jonathan >> >> While I have agreed and disagreed with various points in this discussion, I > think Jonathan's two paragraphs above sum up my feelings on this topic too. > Jonathan has put together a really great system for help from the meta data > to > the search plugin, now we need to put actual content and meta data in our > help > patches and it'll all be findable in a multitude of ways. All this could > even be used to generate the static listing in the FLOSS manuals: just take > the > object name, then get the library and description from the [pd META]. >> >> .hc >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> [email protected] mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > --Friedenstr. 58 > 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) > Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 > Studio +49 30 69509190 > [email protected] | skype: jmmmpjmmmp > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
