----- Original Message ----- > From: Martin Peach <[email protected]> > To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <[email protected]> > Cc: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]>; Pd List <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:23 PM > Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page > > On 2013-01-05 22:36, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> >> On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>> From: Ed Kelly <[email protected]> >>>> To: Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]>; Hans-Christoph > Steiner <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Pd List <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 5:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page >>>> >>>> OK, no need to fight. This is about a version of Pd-extended that > has been a >>>> very long time coming, that had many issues to resolve, that went > offline and >>>> was unavailable at the start of the workshops I teach. I also > can't get my >>>> students to download a version of Pd-extended that isn't > finished and >>>> won't run on their machine. This is their first experience of > programming. >>>> They'll give up straight away! >>> >>> Of course. I'm just giving you a beginner's perspective; > it's my own >>> memory of that perspective that drives me to work on tools which are > currently >>> only marginally useful to me personally. The supermajority of > discontent >>> among your students tells me that this perspective hasn't changed > much. >>> By far, that is currently the fault of the software-- the documentation > is >>> currently too slim and core pd building blocks (and interface) too > crude >>> for the question "how do I find more objects" to be anything > like an ancillary >>> question. >>> >>> A static out-of-date list is better than nothing, but as far as > potential dev >>> energy I'd really rather see that put into core docs like the ones > listed >>> on the bug tracker, which are extremely lacking. That FLOSS list will > hopefully >>> become obsolete, but the help docs won't-- even if they're > dropped from >>> Pd-extended they're still publicly available. >>> >>> -Jonathan >> >> While I have agreed and disagreed with various points in this discussion, I > think Jonathan's two paragraphs above sum up my feelings on this topic too. > Jonathan has put together a really great system for help from the meta data > to > the search plugin, now we need to put actual content and meta data in our > help > patches and it'll all be findable in a multitude of ways. All this could > even be used to generate the static listing in the FLOSS manuals: just take > the > object name, then get the library and description from the [pd META]. >> > > Yeah, and we need the spec for [Pd META] to be known.
doc/5.reference/all_about_pd_META.pd I indicate GPL licenses as "GPL v2" or "GPL v3" because the original search engine was written in Pd and it was easier to parse that way. But I think the standard is "GPLv2" so this should probably be mass replaced at some point. > For devs maybe en entry in the externals HOWTO? > > Martin > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
