On 11/16/2014 10:55 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
my two cents is that the data structures are still a bit buggy to work on. Just hoped they'd be more stable, other than that, can't relate to the commotion, cheers

What kinds of bugs are you running into?

-Jonathan


2014-11-13 13:45 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>:

    It's certainly possible.  There's a Pd-l2ork script for creating a
    "vanilla" tarball with the l2ork changes in it, so I guess you
    could try dropping the src and extra from that into libpd's
    pure-data directory and see what happens.

    But I don't know much about libpd.

    -Jonathan


    On Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:38 AM, i go bananas
    <hard....@gmail.com <mailto:hard....@gmail.com>> wrote:


    in relation to Pd-l2ork,

    guys, what's the status of having a 'libpd' for l2ork???  is that
    possible?

    sorry for going off topic...but it is something i have wanted to
    ask for ages.

    On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:33 PM, i go bananas <hard....@gmail.com>
    wrote:

        IOhannes,

        that's kinda what i thought....

but really, come on...pd's interface is it's weakest point. When miller started working on the data structures, libpd and
        all that didn't even exist.  But now, we can just farm out
        that sort of stuff to other programs.

        Compared to the amount of effort it takes to learn them, and
        how effective they actually are, data structures are just too
        un-economical.

        in nearly 15 years of their existence, i think i can still
        count on both hands how many good implementations of them i
        have seen.

        look, i LOVE pd and couldn't live without it....but it just
        seems like any minute spent on data structures is a minute
        that could be way better spent on other stuff.




        On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:54 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig
        <zmoel...@iem.at> wrote:

            On 11/12/2014 03:33 PM, i go bananas wrote:
            >
            > couldn't that work be put to better use?
            >

            depends on your definition of "better".

            if i understand correctly, "data structures" have been
            _the_ motivation
            for writing Pd (as opposed to continue with max), so i
            think we owe them :-)

            gfmrdsa
            IOhannes



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