Hi Alexandre, The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before: !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be part of your distribution. The source code is in externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name.
As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make them available again. Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page: http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. Greetings, Fred Jan On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more > compability. > > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very > incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything, > seems pointless. > > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that > no human being is using this... > > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these? > > cheers > > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>: > > Hi Alexandre, > > >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related > >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? > > What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops > "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. The > hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also available > as separate objects. > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can > > you give us an example on how to use it? > > As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make > importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The dummy > objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. The > idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. The > dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or cyclone. > > It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a > long time ago. > > The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy just > in time: > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. > > > > > cheers > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > > > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the > > Cyclone library? > > > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP > > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already > > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In > > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and > > signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage > > are individual objects. > > > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for > all > > Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify > the > > building process and remove potential unused functionality. > > > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library > > objects will not be build anymore. > > > > Fred Jan > > > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but > > here is a copy: > > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
