Hi Alexandre, >> I try to keep the current state of cyclone here: >> http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55 >> (never mind the 55, it wouldn't go away). > > hmm, but I see it still has alpha55 there
Finally I found a way to create an 0.1-alpha57 page, so it is now more as it should be. The alpha55 is the latest real Pd-extended release. > > great news about the rest > > really excited about this update Greetings, Fred Jan > > 2015-06-12 3:34 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>: > > Hi Alexandre, > > > Howdy, maybe this got lost amongst the millions of message I've been > > sending, sorry to insist, but I'm really curious about it. > > > > Moreover, as long as we're on it, I've been creating some abstractions > > as clones of max objects, I was able to do most of these nestles, and > > also [scale] / [scale~] and I just did [rect~] and [tri~]. I wonder if I > > could propose them to be included in cyclone, or if it has to be > objects. > > The last days I have been looking at what could be done with the > original nettles. In the end it was quite simple to get them working as > a library object and create a suitable help-patch. Both are checked in > in svn, but the original cyclone build system will not build the > library. Katja created a new makefile system as a drop-in replacement > for the Pd-extended build system, which will be checked in soon. > > I will try to create new binary distributions, usable with the > deken-plugin somewhere next week. These will contain the nettles. I try > to keep the current state of cyclone here: > http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55 (never mind > the 55, it wouldn't go away). > > Any object or abstraction that implements something present in Max(5) > could be part of cyclone. > > > > Cheers > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > > > > 2015-06-07 9:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>: > > > > yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is > > that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea? > > > > I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed > > about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only > > got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~ > > > > It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~, > > <=~, >=~, %~, +=~ > > > > I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I > > didn't know about. > > > > So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried > > loading them with it and nothing happened. > > > > It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why > > can't you just get their code and make it available outside > [maxmode]? > > > > cheers > > > > > > 2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>: > > > > Hi Alexandre, > > > > The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed > before: > > !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ > > They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or > may not be > > part of your distribution. The source code is in > > externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name. > > > > As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important > > to make > > them available again. > > > > Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page: > > > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. > > > > Greetings, > > > > Fred Jan > > > > On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" > objects for > > more > > > compability. > > > > > > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with > > several > > > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and > awesome. > > It serves > > > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But > regarding > > opening > > > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out > to be very > > > incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget > about > > forcing > > > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It > may have > > been > > > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and > > everything, > > > seems pointless. > > > > > > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious > > to me that > > > no human being is using this... > > > > > > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are > > these? > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>>: > > > > > > Hi Alexandre, > > > > > > >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and > > related > > > >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > > > > > > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? > > > > > > What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, > the bin-ops > > > "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle > > libraries. The > > > hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects > which are > > also available > > > as separate objects. > > > > > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] > > thing/object, can > > > > you give us an example on how to use it? > > > > > > As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] > object is > > to make > > > importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more > > convenient. The dummy > > > objects do not do anything, but the patch will load > > without errors. The > > > idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or > other > > objects. The > > > dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in > > Pd-vanilla or cyclone. > > > > > > It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were > common, but > > that is a > > > long time ago. > > > > > > The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I > > made a copy just > > > in time: > > > > > > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. > > > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Fred Jan > > > > > > > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>>>: > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and > > functionality of the > > > > Cyclone library? > > > > > > > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make > > importing of Max/MSP > > > > patches more convenient. Note these are > Max/MSP 4.6 > > patches, already > > > > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file > > formats. In > > > > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, > > the message and > > > > signal objects are loaded from library objects. > > Normal cyclone usage > > > > are individual objects. > > > > > > > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build > > system, usable for all > > > > Puredata external libraries, it would be an > > opportunity to simplify the > > > > building process and remove potential unused > > functionality. > > > > > > > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode > object and > > related library > > > > objects will not be build anymore. > > > > > > > > Fred Jan > > > > > > > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line > > sometime this year, but > > > > here is a copy: > > > > > > > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> > > mailing list > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
