yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea?
I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~ It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~, <=~, >=~, %~, +=~ I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I didn't know about. So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried loading them with it and nothing happened. It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why can't you just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]? cheers 2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <[email protected]>: > Hi Alexandre, > > The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before: > !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ > They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be > part of your distribution. The source code is in > externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name. > > As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make > them available again. > > Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page: > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html > . > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > > On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more > > compability. > > > > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several > > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves > > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening > > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very > > incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing > > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been > > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything, > > seems pointless. > > > > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that > > no human being is using this... > > > > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these? > > > > cheers > > > > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>: > > > > Hi Alexandre, > > > > >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related > > >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > > > > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? > > > > What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops > > "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. > The > > hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also > available > > as separate objects. > > > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, > can > > > you give us an example on how to use it? > > > > As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make > > importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The > dummy > > objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. > The > > idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. > The > > dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or > cyclone. > > > > It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a > > long time ago. > > > > The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy > just > > in time: > > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html > . > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > Greetings, > > > > Fred Jan > > > > > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the > > > Cyclone library? > > > > > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of > Max/MSP > > > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, > already > > > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In > > > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message > and > > > signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone > usage > > > are individual objects. > > > > > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, > usable for all > > > Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to > simplify the > > > building process and remove potential unused functionality. > > > > > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related > library > > > objects will not be build anymore. > > > > > > Fred Jan > > > > > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this > year, but > > > here is a copy: > > > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> mailing > list > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > > > >
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