Don, Then your arguement is a philosophical one, like "If a tree falls in the forest does it make any noise?" Nature does have rules and order and symetry, but mathematics is irrelevant until we try to explain this to others?
(And if I still remember correctly, Maxwell's equations don't have too many numbers in them, just symbols, but I'd call them very precise.) As for the final comment, I'd translate it as "To ask someone to show that the universe does not exhibit rules, order, and symetry that cam be understood and see, with or without mathematics, is a task (errand) you could only ask a fool (ignorant clown) to undertake. Others would refuse the task outright." Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Nature is not 'explained' by Mathematical rules, nor does it follow them. Mathematics can only help us understand how some things in Nature work. We do this by giving values and attaching labels. These values of ours derive from Mathematics and have no independent existence in nature. For example: Plank's Constant, determined by a brilliant man in his attempts to understand Quantum phenomena, has no existence of its own ~it is a man-made~ thing. Very few people actually understand the Mathematics of modern Quantum Theory, let alone how it coincides, or doesn't, with what happens in Nature. Atoms do not obey Plank's rules, they seem to obey none, or several, but they are all Nature's own. I repeat for the nth time: Nature does not obey, nor conform in any way to Mathematical rules. We can only observe what happens and try to understand it using whatever tools we have. I don't understand your final sentence. This is probably the result of a lack of communication. I have an idea what you're trying to say, but you don't say it. >>
