In a message dated 1/3/2003 5:11:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Regards,
> Bob....
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> "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!"
>   - Benjamin Franklin
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> 
> > 1. What color ARE color negatives? (color print film)
> 
> Developed color negatives display the color complements of the colors
> focused on it during exposure plus an approximately orange cast.

Interesting re orange cast.
 
> > 2. Who's to say the original 4x6 prints are right? (Right in the sense
> that they show the color the camera recorded at the time?)
> 
> First, they never do. They can't. Neither the film nor the paper has the
> recording range available in real scenes. Second, because our brains do a
> considerable amount of color balancing, especially at dawn, dusk and under
> incandescent & fluorescent lights, whatever color balance works perfectly
> for one condition cannot work perfectly for others. Third, many films were
> never designed to provide an exactly faithful reproduction of any scene.
> Films designed for enhanced or vivid color rendition come to mind. Now,
> beyond that, each film manufacturer has designed their film to provide a
> certain rendition of the original scene under specific lighting/exposure
> conditions and when developed in the manor described by the manufacturer
> using a certain paper with the paper developed per prescribed methods. If
> your prints are rendered by an automated development system, there will be a
> series of letters and numbers on the back of the print. These give the
> compensation, if any. The person who develops your prints should be able to
> tell you exactly what adjustments, if any, were made for each print. If not,
> he shouldn't be your developer.

Whoa! Well, that is really a piece of information I had never come across before. Will 
look for that.

> > 3. But if one lab can develop color prints a different color than another
> lab can develop them, how can I ever tell if *I* had ANYTHING to do with the
> color they come out?
> 
> Beyond the code described in 2, above, in reality, you can't.

:-(
 
> > 4. What color is actually there? How come any machine cannot look at color
> negatives and arrive at the same color in the prints?
> 
> Actually, given the same compensation is given to the prints in each case
> and the same paper is used, each lab should produce the same results.
> Factors which affect this are development bath temperature control, age and
> use of chemicals, i.e. how cheep is the developer.

Hehe.
 
> > 5. This is why people use slide film isn't it? Because the developing
> process doesn't change the color? And because the photographer can see what
> color the pictures really came out?
> 
> Partly. Slide film also limits the range of the film. Slides (some) appear
> to be more faithful though within a comparatively narrower range. Slides
> also add a "punch" (I can't describe) not seen in print film.

Punch being back lit, I presume. Basically even with digital processing I don't see 
how a print made from a slide can ever be as really colorful as the slide. But it 
could come close.
 
> > 6. *Is* the developing of color slide film accurate? (i.e. Do slides come
> out the color the camera recorded?
> 
> Some do, within a narrower lighting range. Since it is the recording media,
> all film comes out the color the camera recorded by definition. It's still
> does not _exactly_ reproduce the light that entered the lens. The discussion
> regarding the way our brains work applies here too.

Right. The camera is limited compared to the human eye.
 
> > Color is very important to me.
> 
> There are color/shade cards which can be placed in the scene prior to taking
> the actual photo. These can be used by professional labs to provide
> excellent color calibration. Such exact color calibration 
> is often necessary
> in the fashion world.

Interesting. Bit more than I want to do. But the gray card and checking the back of 
the prints sounds doable.

Thanks! Doe aka Marnie

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