Paul I certainly would grant you that. The hunt is part of the fun. But after 
years of photographing wildlife I've come to the conclusion that if you want 
excellent shots of wild animals and birds you really need to find subjects 
that are not weary of human beings. The best places to find these subjects 
are, in the case of birds, around feeders or at least very public areas where 
they are used to people. In the case of animals, National or provincial parks 
where they are not hunted and accept humans at relatively close proximity. In 
these types of areas 300 and 400mm lenses are usually all you need. Now many 
will not agree with this, that's fine. I've burned a lot of film shooting 
wild white tail deer and come away with only OK shots. Then I found an area 
where they run wild through a large heavily forested (but fenced in) wildlife 
preserve. They are wild deer but quite used to people. My good-ones-per-roll 
increased substantially.
That's not to say it's not fun to go out and see what you can find in a forest
, but you are going to have to work very hard to get average shots. This 
thread started with someone saying they wanted to use a 1000mm lens handheld. 
I will maintain that is not a wise thing. I have been simply trying to 
explain that A)you don't need a 1000mm lens to get excellent shots of birds 
or animals. B) Using any long lens demands excellent technique. 
If all you want is record shots of a bird, by all means hand hold a long lens 
and use 800 ASA film and go out and have fun. If you want publishable photos 
you'll never get them that way....



In a message dated 3/11/03 6:32:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I've done that. It can be nice. But I prefer to find birds in their
>natural habitat. The hunt is part of the fun.
>Paul

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