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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Skofteland) wrote:

> Get F, FA or A lenses...

Argh, more money. Being a maximum aperture fanatic - because my sight 
isn't too great - that looks like a 24/2.0 to model a 35/2.0 on 35mm. But 
to model an 85/1.4 or 85/1.8, I seem to have a problem. The focal 
length I need is 60mm. Either use a 55mm SMC Takumar in stop-down metering 
mode, or use a 50mm F, FA or A (a little too wide) or a 77mm (a bit too 
narrow). 

Looking at my sole A* lens, I see there's an electrical contact, which 
looks as if it will match up with the ones on the *istD lens flange, so 
that gives me a 135-equivalent. At f1.4, heh, heh!

> You can use screw-mount lenses in stop-down manual metering.  You will 
> not get "open-aperture metering" (except when you want to shoot wide 
> open).

OK. Is the adaptor needed to do this a standard M42-on-K adaptor, or is 
there more to it than that? 

> With Ks and Ms you get nothing.  No metering at all so you will have 
> to use a hand-held meter or guess.  some have suggested adjusting to 
> ISO settings to use these lenses but I have no idea what they mean.

Rats. From memories of the earlier discussions, and a look at the 
catalogue photo of the *istD, it would seem:

The *istD has the aperture release cam, so that it can tell a lens how far 
to stop down when that's been set on the body, or release a lens without a 
control-by-body setting to stop down to whatever is set on the aperture 
ring?

But it doesn't have the aperture sensor cam, so it can't tell what the 
setting is on the len's aperture ring, and therefore can't do full- 
aperture metering, because it doesn't know how much to allow for the 
stopping down? This is the "crippled" bit?

So the cams are actually sufficient for it to do stop-down metering on K 
and M lenses, but this hasn't been provided in the electronics/software/ 
mode controls?

If one modifies a K or M lens to lock at a not-quite-mounted position, the 
lens then has a completely manual aperture: the spring in the lens stops 
it down to the setting on the aperture ring, but one has to view and focus 
while stopped down, or become extremely good at counting click-stops with 
the camera up at one's eye, or continually take it down to look at the 
aperture ring? I don't fancy the modifications anyway, I must admit. 

If I'm right about all this, I think my plans go:

* Scanning 35mm negs/slides is a right pain, but six megapixels is enough 
  to go digital. 

* It seems quite unlikely that Pentax will improve K/M mount compatibility 
  in future models, since those lenses were a long time ago and they make 
  no money from keeping them useful - although it's going to be worth 
  checking what a production *istD can do. 
  
* Does anyone know of a third-party zoom that's A-mount compatible or 
  better, with a focal length range including 24 to 60mm, with a wide
  maximum aperture? I'd want f2.0, really, but I'd settle for f2.8. 
  Narrower than that, as per the Pentax lenses, doesn't feel attractive. 

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John Dallman                                     [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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